On Nov 16, 9:45*pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 16, 5:42*pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:55:54 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 15, 9:31*pm, John Galt wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt
wrote:

You apparently live in a parallel universe. *May I ask where you
get your news from?
I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as extensively
about these issues to my colleagues, and have relatives who live
and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The Netherlands, Austria,
and Italy.

Ah, yes

Anecdotal evidence

How quaint

Nothing anecdotal about it, child.

My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his
particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as
part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their
social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such things
that are no longer covered if you care to do some research. Same
thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least) which have also
pulled back on coverage in their systems.

- - America's Senior US Citizens have Paid into the - - US Medicare
System for Decades and still Pay - - into it -but- Now face $500B in
Medicare Cut-Backs - - {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for
Obama-Care©

Medicare Cut-Backs = $500B

Yup.

= Medicare Cost-Savings -via- Denial of
Benefits

LIE

-via- Denial of Services

LIE

-via- Denial of Claims

LIE

- HERE'S the deal.

Spoken like a good little Obama-Bot©

Prez Obama -says- Here's The Deal . . .
-and- the Obama-Bot© all repeat
here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL !
here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL !
here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL !

-*Medicare represents 40 million customers. *The

NO - Medicare Represents 40 Million "Patients" :
Who are American US Senior Citizens that are
Forced in to the Medicare System by Law which
'makes' them CLIENTS of Medicare -not- Customers.
Customers get to pick-and-choose -while-
Clients are Dictated-To by Medicare by Law.

- The Customers will be telling the providers what
- they will pay for the services.

NO - Medicare will Short Change the Doctors
-aka- The Providers and those Providers will STOP
'providing' those Services. -aka- Medicare Care

- And they will pay $500B less over the next ten
- years than what was being forecast.

That is the 'claim'.

-*The Providers will take the lower reimbursements
- and lump it.

Some Providers may . . .
While many/most Providers may STOP 'providing'
those Services. -aka- Medicare Care and Tell the
US Government {Medicare} to LUMP IT !

-*That is the _ONLY way that the rising costs
- of health care can be controlled.

"THE ONLY WAY" rotfl oaoa

There are 'other' Ways including Tort Reform
and Elimination Out-of-State Restrictions on
Medical Insurance.

-*There is no free lunch and market power wins.

Yes - "There is no free lunch"

-and- NOT PAYING THE BILL
SHUTS DOWN THE MARKET.

- Granny still gets the services.

NO Granny gets stuck with $500B of Medicare Cuts.

REALITY CHECK ON THE FACTS :

Medicare {The US Government} is the Doctor's actual
"The Customer" {Payer}; not the Senior Citizen 'Patient'.

When "The Customer" {Payer} Does Not Pay : Then
the Doctor will stop seeing those 'Patients'.
-result- Denial {Cut-Back} of Services to the 'Patient'.

Now the Money that the "The Customer" is Called
a Savings and can be Spent on Obama-Care©.

- The tax payers simply pay less.

NO - The US Government Ends Up Spending the
same amount of Money -but- Redirects $500B of
Medicare Spending from Medicare {Cut-Backs} to
$500B of new Obama-Care© Spending.
-note- Prez Obama claims that this is Revenue
"Neutral" {Balanced-Out} and Cost 'us' nothing.
! D'Oh Hello Prez Obama $500B of Spending
IS $500B OF SPENDING !
-and- $500B of Non-Spending for Medicare is a
CUT-BACK in Patient Spending
CUT-BACK in Patient Services
CUT-BACK in Patient Care
SHORT CHANGING AMERICA's SENIOR US CITIZENS

WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! ~ RHF

-fyi- Talk to an American Born US Doctor : Who
has been in the Business of a Private Medical
Practice for 10 Years or More in the USA :
* They will tell you about the reality of Medicare
Payments for Patient's Services/Care.
* They will tell you about Limiting the Number of
Medicare Patients because of Lack of Adequate
Reimbursement from Medicare.
* They will tell you about how Medicare has
Limited the type of Patient Care that they
can provide as a result of so called Medicare
Cost 'Containment' {Cuts in Fees for Service}

- --
- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

REALITY CHECK ON THE $500B SAVINGS :
The Unintended Consequences of $500B of Medicare
Cost Saving {What very well might happen} :
American Senior US Citizens -aka- Medicare 'Patients'
can not see their Doctors for routine Office Visits due to
$500B in Medicare Cuts : The 'Patients' eventually go
to the Hospital for Emergency Treatment {cause they
could not see their Doctor due to the Cuts} and end up
Costing Medicare more, & More. & MORE MONEY !
The $500B of Doctors Cost Savings becomes $500B
or more of new more expensive Hospital and Emergency
Hospital Medicare Spending - oops, Oops. OOPS !