On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:47:38 -0800, RHF wrote:

On Nov 16, 9:45Â*pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:11:29 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 16, 5:42Â*pm, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:55:54 -0800, RHF wrote:
On Nov 15, 9:31Â*pm, John Galt wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:11:14 -0600, John Galt
wrote:

You apparently live in a parallel universe. Â*May I ask where
you get your news from?
I travel extensively for work in Europe, talk just as
extensively about these issues to my colleagues, and have
relatives who live and work in Belgium, Germany, Sweden, The
Netherlands, Austria, and Italy.

Ah, yes

Anecdotal evidence

How quaint

Nothing anecdotal about it, child.

My own nephew is now back at work because Sweden reclassified his
particular physical problem from "disability" to "able-bodied" as
part of the government's pullback of covered benefits of their
social welfer system. You can quite easily get a list of such
things that are no longer covered if you care to do some
research. Same thing for the Netherlands and Germany (at least)
which have also pulled back on coverage in their systems.

- - America's Senior US Citizens have Paid into the - - US Medicare
System for Decades and still Pay - - into it -but- Now face $500B in
Medicare Cut-Backs - - {reclassified as Cost-Savings} to Pay for
Obama-Care©

Medicare Cut-Backs = $500B

Yup.

= Medicare Cost-Savings -via- Denial of Benefits

LIE

-via- Denial of Services

LIE

-via- Denial of Claims

LIE

- HERE'S the deal.

Spoken like a good little Obama-Bot©

Prez Obama -says- Here's The Deal . . . -and- the Obama-Bot© all repeat
here's the deal, Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal,
Here's The Deal. HERE'S THE DEAL ! here's the deal, Here's The Deal.
HERE'S THE DEAL !

-Â*Medicare represents 40 million customers. Â*The

NO - Medicare Represents 40 Million "Patients" : Who are American US
Senior Citizens that are Forced in to the Medicare System by Law which
'makes' them CLIENTS of Medicare -not- Customers. Customers get to
pick-and-choose -while- Clients are Dictated-To by Medicare by Law.

You are a lying pig. But it is what you do best. Customers for medical
care are very limmited as to the ability to "pick-and-choose", liar.
They are far better served by the market power of solidarity.

- The Customers will be telling the providers what - they will pay for
the services.

NO - Medicare will Short Change the Doctors -aka- The Providers and
those Providers will STOP 'providing' those Services. -aka- Medicare
Care

Nice lie... You do so well at it.

- And they will pay $500B less over the next ten - years than what was
being forecast.

That is the 'claim'.

-Â*The Providers will take the lower reimbursements - and lump it.

Some Providers may . . .
While many/most Providers may STOP 'providing' those Services. -aka-
Medicare Care and Tell the US Government {Medicare} to LUMP IT !

And where will they get their INCOME, moronic lying pig? You think their
will be a supply NEW customers that will allow the providers to just
shift from these customers to this new imported group? You are not only
a lair. You are also a moron. The number of rich people seeking medical
services is quite limited.

-Â*That is the _ONLY way that the rising costs - of health care can be
controlled.

"THE ONLY WAY" rotfl oaoa

There are 'other' Ways including Tort Reform and Elimination
Out-of-State Restrictions on Medical Insurance.

Two *&@%$^& total "nits".

-Â*There is no free lunch and market power wins.

Yes - "There is no free lunch"

-and- NOT PAYING THE BILL
SHUTS DOWN THE MARKET.

Stupidity repeated just gets more and more stupid with each repetition.

- Granny still gets the services.

NO Granny gets stuck with $500B of Medicare Cuts.

REALITY CHECK ON THE FACTS :

Medicare {The US Government} is the Doctor's actual "The Customer"
{Payer}; not the Senior Citizen 'Patient'.

Yes. Government is like a UNION monopsony using solidarity to control
rates. That is the reality and it why there will be no cut in services.

When "The Customer" {Payer} Does Not Pay : Then the Doctor will stop
seeing those 'Patients'. -result- Denial {Cut-Back} of Services to the
'Patient'.

What will the provider do if the provider does not have patients? Will
he retire and go fishing? We have this system called H1B which allows us
to import medical professionals from other countries. And according to
all the data I have been able to find, these foreign professionals are
very much underpaid in their current countries. It is really interesting
how the freepers LOVE free trade and monopoly power until it bites them
in the ass.

Now the Money that the "The Customer" is Called a Savings and can be
Spent on Obama-Care©.

Irrelevant, actually. We are spending too much on these services. Try
comparing the costs of health care in this country with all the other
civilized nations. You sick puppies live in a little stupidity bubble.

- The tax payers simply pay less.

NO - The US Government Ends Up Spending the same amount of Money -but-
Redirects $500B of Medicare Spending from Medicare {Cut-Backs} to $500B
of new Obama-Care© Spending.

So what's your point??? We will have increased access to health care and
a lower price of health care.

-note- Prez Obama claims that this is Revenue "Neutral" {Balanced-Out}
and Cost 'us' nothing. ! D'Oh Hello Prez Obama $500B of Spending IS
$500B OF SPENDING !

Obama is correct and you are a lying pig.

-and- $500B of Non-Spending for Medicare is a CUT-BACK in Patient
Spending

Yep.

CUT-BACK in Patient Services

LIE

CUT-BACK in Patient Care

LIE

SHORT CHANGING AMERICA's SENIOR US CITIZENS

LIE

WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA ! ~ RHF

-fyi- Talk to an American Born US Doctor : Who has been in the Business
of a Private Medical Practice for 10 Years or More in the USA : * They
will tell you about the reality of Medicare Payments for Patient's
Services/Care. * They will tell you about Limiting the Number of
Medicare Patients because of Lack of Adequate Reimbursement from
Medicare.

1. They will see LESS patients and have lower incomes in that case,
because there is not going to be a change in the number of sick people

2. They can be replaced and will be replaced by competent providers from
other countries.

* They will tell you about how Medicare has Limited the type of Patient
Care that they can provide as a result of so called Medicare Cost
'Containment' {Cuts in Fees for Service}

They will protect their livelihood like anyone else. They will distort
the reality in order to protect their incomes like any other group of
human beings.

- --
- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

REALITY CHECK ON THE $500B SAVINGS :
The Unintended Consequences of $500B of Medicare Cost Saving {What very
well might happen} : American Senior US Citizens -aka- Medicare
'Patients' can not see their Doctors for routine Office Visits due to
$500B in Medicare Cuts : The 'Patients' eventually go to the Hospital
for Emergency Treatment {cause they could not see their Doctor due to
the Cuts} and end up Costing Medicare more, & More. & MORE MONEY ! The
$500B of Doctors Cost Savings becomes $500B or more of new more
expensive Hospital and Emergency Hospital Medicare Spending - oops,
Oops. OOPS !
.


Boogerman, Boogerman, Boogerman.


--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson