On 24 mayo, 19:33, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 14:23:59 -0700 (PDT), lu6etj
wrote:

Regarding that output impedance of a rig be quite near to 50+j0 I
think that depends on the concrete design; such a condition is not
necessary and in my opinion neither optimal.

Hi Miguel,

Problems arise from qualitative statements or questions instead of
quantitative statements or questions.output impedance of a rig be quite near to 50+j0

is a quantitative fact (depending upon the qualitative "near"). *A
fact can be measured and compared by in dependant and objective means.in my opinion neither optimal

is a qualitative judgment. *A judgment is only as authoritative as is
the authority making it - and even then it comes at a discount. *We
get many judgments here by folks with little authority (and such
judgments are usually adorned with anti-authority messages).

I have measured the characteristic Z of my two transistorized HF rigs
by different methods that agree in their results. *I have also
measured the Z of active loads that employ the same circuitry found in
power sources. *The values of Z for my HF rigs wander from 35 Ohms to
75 Ohms. *The variation is a function of
1. frequency;
2. power;
3. which of the two is being measured.

What is notable, for those values that are furthest from 50 Ohms (the
design goal), my rigs experience issues (instabilities, poor
efficiency, distortion...).

The variation by frequency is found at the margins (at the ends of the
HF band). *

The variation by power is found in inabilities to maintain a constant
power deliver in every band - which weakly correlates to Z offset from
50. *Variation by power also defines Z. *Low power operation is not
going to give you a 50 Ohm source (the manufacturer designs Z for
rated power).

The variation by set is due to different capabilities: *one set is
capable of 150W, and the other 100W; thus the first is more robust. As
these variations of Z are not remarkable, trying to turn them into
quantitative efficiency results are speculative at best (common
designs are not optimal by any stretch when you add in the
complication of modes).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Hi Richard:

As I understand = "output impedance of a rig be near to 50+j0" it is
not a cuantitative fact except when it refers to specific study
objects, obvously not all study objects (transmitters) will
necessarily share those numbers.
I think a good general cuantitative assertion would be for example,
"all the rig on the market gives near 50 +j0, Zout". I am not deny
that experimental fact...

When I say "in my opinion" I am just not giving a formal hipothesis or
theory and I quite understand technical and logical limitations of
such words (for that I use them)
Certainly I am definiteley not an authoritative guy on any
matter :(

(I'm so sorry Richard, although theory of knowledge is a topic of my
interest I am not in conditions of discussing about it in a (for me)
foreign language :( )

I saw some of this topics discussed time ago in this newsgroup and it
was not my intention to return to them because I know they motivated
good ponderings and respectfully points of view in its moment.

PSE, with the due respect and consideration toward you an the
distinguished colleagues and friends, Would you mind return to the
original question? (sorry if it is not this the most polite form to
ask it)

73

Miguel Ghezzi LU6ETJ