On 09/15/2010 12:42 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Sep 15, 8:35 am, wrote:

First:
For the statement to be even close to accurate, it would have to be
morally reprehensible to spank a child, and it is far from it. You
may not agree with it, but your narrow viewpoint does not dictate the
morals for everyone. (and before you ask, I have found the need to
spank my children.)

Then you are unethical, and YES I can make that statement, which is
different from dictating it (*Learn* the difference if learning is
within your ability). Tough **** if you don't like it, you brutal
*******.
Yes you can make the statement, but you dont have any science to back it
up. Nor history. Epictetus:"The boy who learned to control slaves (and
today they are electronic), does not learn to control himself."

I've spanked a toddler to keep him from going in the street and getting
run over. At this age, reasoning with him is not effective.

In the hill town schools, if a boy is disruptive, the teacher calls the
office and enough other people arrive to take him in hand, literally
picking him up. This is primate instinctive behavior at work. Soon as
the boy is up off his feet, he realizes there is power greater than his
will to try to dominate and control others.

The spanking itself is merely the apex of a psychological process which
only takes a few seconds. Without it, such bullies would be physically
abusing smaller kids. Totally avoiding what you say is abuse is not
possible. Controlling it is, and while you may use drugs, I am very
concerned because there are no long term studies of the effect.

You got any kids we can try drugs out on?

Its instructive that you resort to ad hominem. The science is that
properly administered pain adjusts hormone levels, and with that the
behavior which risks abuse of other kids stops. Now, if you have any
other research besides your anal orifice, I'd be glad to see it.

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