On 3/20/2011 5:17 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 3/20/2011 1:43 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

The test makers have made allowances so that is not a factor. And the
results prove it:

Asians who have just arrived in the West -- who have far more
cultural
differences from us than do Blacks -- test much higher than Blacks
and,
in some cases, higher than native-born Whites.

Gee, you must be referring to...

1) ...those Asians that had a great (not third rate) education like
most blacks receive.

2) ...those Asians that work -hard- on their homework instead of
wasting their time with mindless TV and Nintendo like native-born
whites.

Your "results" prove NOTHING; you just don't seem to want to admit
that a third rate education can have a drastic negative effect on IQ
(or any other) tests.

Finally, you have dodged explaining how someone with poor READING
skills (from a third-rate education) can be expected to do well on a
WRITTEN test -- that they have to READ. Duh!
[...]

On 3/20/2011 5:44 PM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

When testers correct for all those factors -- and they've been doing
that for half a century or more -- there is still a very large
difference in average IQs between the races. It's real -- as anyone with
common sense and experience can tell you.

"...testers correct for all those factors"? If it is a written test,
that common sense and experience tells you requires reading skills --
and a person does not have those reading skills, how can you 'factor
that out'??? They are done before they get to first base. Game over
before it starts. NOTHING to do with culture, NOTHING to do with IQ.
EVERYTHING to do with not having the skill set to play the game.

It's not racial hatred to recognize these differences. In fact, if you
want people of any race to be able to solve their problems, having them
face the facts is one of the very kindest things that can be done.

Indeed...and the undeniable fact to face is, they have received a third
rate education for generations...with the concurrent limited reading
skills...with the obvious and common sense fact that limited reading
skills will limit your performance on a test that requires reading
skills. What could be more obvious than that? That's "the fact". I am
truly puzzled that you can keep tap-dancing around and ignoring such a
basic and common sense observation. Not a perfect analogy, but sort of
like expecting a blind person (with no training) to be able to cross a
very busy street...and then when they can't do it, blaming it on their
low IQ rather than them not yet having that skill set.

And speaking of tap-dancing, you seem to have ignored my previous
factual point that Asians generally DO have a FIRST RATE education. Have
you not seen the various news magazine programs over the years of Asian
children being coached, tutored and yes, even stressed out from the
pressure their parents put them through trying to get them in to a
premier...kindergarten?

It seems grossly biased of you to try and compare those high-powered
Asian educations with the third rate education the blacks get...and then
say they have a lower IQ. IMHO, the best I can say is that you are being
very disingenuous, at worst, bigoted.