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Old March 21st 11, 03:38 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
John - KD5YI[_3_] John - KD5YI[_3_] is offline
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On 3/21/2011 7:06 AM, Wimpie wrote:
On 21 mar, 00:42, John - wrote:
On 3/20/2011 5:11 PM, Wimpie wrote:



On 20 mar, 21:09, wrote:
On Mar 19, 5:59 pm, wrote:


On 19 mar, 22:25, wrote:


I was palnning on building a 2M Yagi this weekend and was wondering if
my available bill of materials would have a significant effect on
normal design parameters. The plan is to use 3/4 inch EMT conduit for
the boom and 3/8 inch all-thread for the elements. My concern was that
the threads could change the design frequency.


JImmie


Hello Jimmie,


I think it will be OK, but if you want to be 100% sure, make a dipole
of same thickness tubing and one from the threaded material of choice.
If results are same, you can use it without dimension scaling. Are
you using galvanized or alu material?


If required, apply some corrosion protection.


With kind regards,


Wim
PA3DJSwww.tetech.nl
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Galvanized, The pupose was to demostrate that materials can often be
adlib and still have a useable antenna. Maybe this one will not last
30 years before it corrodes away but probably 5 or 6. Also I want to
demonstrate the value of using a jig when building many antennas all
made the same. I have tried the test you mention on 10 meters before
replacing a vertical mounted on my truck. Changing materials didn't
seem to make much difference. WIll try the same for 2M but I dont
have an SWR meter for 2M at this time.. Was hopng someone in the group
might think this interesing enough to try.


Jimmie


Hello Jimmie


Zinc has about 60% conductivity of alu alloys that are used for
antennas, so the surface resistance will be almost 80% of alu tubing
(same diameter). Of course you have thread that increases the path
length. Given the thread, your net conductivity will be about 40%
(w.r.t. alu).


This will be OK for doing your experiments and to demonstrate that you
can use many materials for antennas. I would recommend you to find
some means to determine VSWR (or refl. coeff.) at 2m (home made
slotted coaxial line, or home brew coupler?).


With kind regards,


Wim
PA3DJS
www.tetech.nl
Without abc, PM will reach me


Here is one the OP can build:

http://www.qsl.net/xq2fod/Electron/swr/swr.html


Hello John,

I made (and still use) same type of wheatstone bridge refl. coeff.
meter with BAT15 diodes (so only low power) and 0805 SMD. Instead of a
moving coil indicator I used a 10 MOhm DVM (to get better linearity at
low power input).


That's a great idea. I wish I had thought of that.

John