On Apr 7, 7:53*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
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On 4/5/2011 12:55 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

k1ttt wrote:
waves of ions is obvious, but not in the way you think. ions can flow
in one direction only
...

I don't think so ...

Ocean waves, sound waves, through water/air, pretty much, and just vibrate
matter in place. *They don't really use movement of matter though matter
as locamotion, i.e. no "real" matter gets transported, they simply affect
more matter, by "bumping it", which in turn affects more matter, etc. Or,
simply matter vibrating ... energy vibrating it.

All real waves are asymmetric. For this reason they transport mass.



Ions are like bullets, they do use movement as their means of transporting
themselves, and they don't "remain in place."

Ether fills space, the space between the atoms of air, and all other
matter (and, most likely, even fills the space within an atom!) .

I prefer Faraday's idea. No aether. In space is the same as in metal.
Wibrating ions and electrons.

.. it simply can be made to "vibrate", like water vibrating in place and
creating waves which transverse the pond ...

In aether model aether vibrate and particles "are in place". In Faraday's
model particles vibrate and no aether between them.

The ether/wave model is the only model which can, and in quite simple
terms and design, account for waves transversing non-empty space (a vacuum
containing only ether.)

In real space no aether but ISM (rare plasma + dust).



All other models which have been constructed require elaborate
explanations and examples which are only imaginary in existence (no direct
physical examples can be had/seen.)

The same speed of electric disturbances in copper and light in space was the
physical examples for the idea "no aether but vibrating particles".
"I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether and ordinary
matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which the
electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter'. From: *http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.html

In above Faraday use the word aether but he explains what it is made of.
Today we say space. Space is filled with ISM.
S*

but in vibrating particle waves like sound waves the speed of the wave
is very dependent on the density of the material. with sound waves
the waves travel faster in dense material, compare the speed of sound
in air and a metal bar. with electromagnetic waves that is backwards,
they travel slower in dense material and fastest in a vacuum.