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March 20th 04, 01:23 PM

On 19 Mar 2004 23:01:19 -0800, (Tom Bruhns) wrote:

I think you can get adequate Q if you use a powdered iron toroid. I'm
not going to take the time to look; there are some Q curves on the
Amidon website. But I think that a T-37-2 core might work OK. I
could also have a look at what's possible with a lower Q coil, but
don't have the time right now. You could do that with Spice or with
RFSim99, too. If you lower the "output" capacitor, you will raise the
voltage delivered to the 18MHz gate input, given that the LC is
resonant at the desired output freq.

A note on the effects of inadequate filtering... Of course, the
result is harmonics other than just the fifth in the output. But what
does that mean after you've squared things up by running the signal
through another gate? How does a waveform which spends all its time
at either 5V or 0V have multiple frequencies? It does it by having
different high and low times on each cycle of the five output cycles
that happen for each input cycle. And if you want a pretty pure 15th
harmonic (3rd harmonic of the 5th harmonic), you are probably going to
want the cycles to be uniform, and close to 50% duty cycle. (They
WILL have plenty of third harmonic...the rise and fall times I
observed yesterday on 'HC04s were about 4 nanoseconds, and that will
get you up above 100MHz...) That will take more filtering. If your
inductor Q is only moderate, you still have a chance if you build a
higher order filter, instead of trying to do it with a single pole
(really single pole pair) filter such as I suggested. You can do it
with a single pole but it has to be quite high loaded Q, and the coil
unloaded Q must be higher still. But you can make the multi-pole
filter wider, maybe two or three MHz wide, and get by with lower Q
inductors and still have reasonably low loss and adequate rejection of
the other harmonics.

Yeah, the little moulded SMT inductors aren't very high Q. They are
intended more for power supply filtering and choking, but you can use
them in relatively wideband filters too.

Now that you've seen that it can be done, I hope you'll be inspired to
see what you can do to make it better.

Indeed, and thanks, Tom. I shall be following up your concept in the
manner you describe; it's a departure from what I thought would be
suggested when I commenced this thread but it's the outright winner in
my book. There's a lot I don't know about coils - I never expected to
have to say that. But there's a lot more to them than meets the eye,
too so I don't feel too ashamed to admit it. Yes, it's a great
solution and the only drawback is the physical size of the inductors
which can be remedied with a little further development as you say.
That is what I plan to do next.
Thanks again!
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