John Smith wrote:
On 6/9/2011 10:42 AM, Bob Casanova wrote:

...
Do you have the faintest idea what you think you're talking
about?

You mean...

I mean exactly what I stated.

I guess you don't...

Dream on ... it is plain to see ...

Your assertion that Einstein professed to believe in a
personal deity, even though he specifically denied it?

Yes, it's quite plain.

My "claim(s)" are these are direct quotes from Einstein:

“That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior
reasoning power, which is

revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.” --
Albert Einstein

“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and
Knowledge is shipwrecked by

the laughter of the gods.” -- Albert Einstein


Well now we know Einstein was raised Jewish so this is hardly a
prefession of religious belief. What we have here is a sequence
of snipperts taken out of context

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
-- Albert Einstein


Lets complete this paragraph shall we

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
Spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble minds. The deeply emotional conviction of the
presence of a superior reasoning Power, which is revealed in the
incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.”

See how taking it out of context twists the meaning ?

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in
this or that phenomenon,

in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts;
the rest are

details.” -- Albert Einstein

This was written in 1905 when he was 26 years old using allegory to make
a point. This is scarcely an espousal of conventional judaism.


“When the solution is simple, God is answering.” -- Albert Einstein


Allegory again

But, now, I must further claim your spin tactics are to put words into
others mouths, then claim they are making your supplied "claims", and
claim they are false ...

Further, you attempt to degrade and deny Einstein and his
statements/beliefs in such spin tactics.


I don't but you apparently do so let me give some full and unabridged quotes


In 1927

"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the
actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of
his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic
causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science.
My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior
spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and
transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the
highest importance-but for us, not for God. "


In 1945
"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been
an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a
personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not
share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is
mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature
and of our being."

In 1954
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a
lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal
God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something
is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration
for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. "

Shortly before he died
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive
legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."




That is all which is happening here, that is all which has been
happening since you and your ilk has stuck their
religion-focused-arses into the discussion, before your type came on
the scene ...


The only person who persists on bringing in religion is YOU
and you are the only person who believes that telling the
truth is degrading.

Keith