On 6/12/2011 6:16 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:


There's a big difference between the words "cause" and "create".
Nobody says the rain is the creator of a lake.


Exactly, morons want to skip over the creation and go straight to
working with the stuff created ...


But that doesn't add anything to the discussion to hypothesize one
more level of creation. What does that give us? Either there is a
creator which doesn't need to be created - in which case that logic is
invalid, or it's just one more step in an infinity of steps. (The
ocean made the cloud made the rain made the river made the ocean).

It's turtles all the way down.


Yeah, now you are waking up, the problem is much more serious than the
one you wish to draw in the sand and focus on.

First you have to realize that something caused all we see, that what we
see is only an effect of the important action/event.

You demonstrate the problem of telling children, "Don't worry about it."
As, one day they wake up, with everything all wrong, late in life, and
appearing to be morons!

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Regards,
JS
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