August 11th 11, 09:54 PM
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(OT) : Al Gore's Rage-&-Rant : Global Warming Done Gone To His Head !
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 8/11/11 13:04 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:28 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 8/11/11 10:43 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Aug 10, 2:07 pm, wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:46 am, wrote:
- On Aug 10, 3:13 am, wrote:
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Scientific Smackdown: Skeptics Voted The Clear Winners
Against Global Warming Believers in Heated NYC
Debatehttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2acee8277e91b376
-posted-by- ka6uup
-and-reply-by- Bruce
Jensenhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bedf496a5fb56e41?
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- - One Must Begin To Ask...
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- - How Many Shares BpnJ Owns in Al Gores
- - Carbon Credits Corps ? ? ?
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- - Al Gore The Great Profit of Global Warming !
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- - payola big or small is still payola ~ RHF
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- - Another Absurd Climate Gate Moment !
- -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95fe5b213fcf20c4
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- - Climate-Gate : The 21st Century's Biggest Scientific SCAM !
- -http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/03f8f34788943898
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- You're an uneducated idiot.
BpnJ,
You are getting good at the Al Gore 'Rage-&-Rant' Thingee
 )http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/pol...re-rant-why-th...
You have elevated yourself from simple rank-and-file of
'Global Warming' to the rank of 'Full of Hot Air' ! ::-}}
Oops ! Climate-Gate Did Happen Yet Another
Inconvenient Truth
!http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f3800097470e85
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LET'S ALL CHANT THE CLIMATE-GATEŠ MANTRA :
IT'S SETTLED SCIENCE : THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE [.]
-wrt- Another Absurd Climate GateŠ Moment
!http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4493147109bb61
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Your Al Gore reference is smoke and mirrors, and completely
irrelevant. The settled science part are your words, not mine, and
completely innaccurate.
Actually, 'The science is settled' is a quote of Algore. He said
it at the Oscars, he's said it on Charlie Rose.
He's said it numerous places.
Please educate yourself wity something other
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As I said before, *Al Gore is irrelevant to the actual issue*. He is
only a messenger. To blithely discredit 150 years of long and
thoughtful research by physicists, meterologists, climatologists,
oceanographers, mathematicians and astronomers, peer review after peer
review of every single hypothesis vetted to the nth degree, and a
science which freely admits that it still must answer some of the more
intractable questions to provide a complete picture - as every true
science does, every time - because you don't like the messenger - is
just ugly, unscientific politics. To do it because of greedy,
narcissistic motives is reprehensible and immoral.
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Algore IS irrelevant. My point being that the words were not Roy's. They
were, in fact, Algore's. We may take solace in the fact, that one blind
squirrel has found his nuts, today.
More to the point...The science is not settled. As evidenced by the
number of qualified physicists, meteorologists and climatologists that
have taken opposition. And while the science to which you refer is, in
fact, peer reviewed, in the scientific community dissent against a
concensus is an essential part of the scientific process. Where there is
no debate, there can be, ultimately, no truth. Only politics. What's
interesting, and what many on The Other Side are so enraged about, is that
the most vocal about this matter refuse to debate it at all.
Gore, for instance, will not be on any program with any other guest who
may speak. He will have the questions put to him vetted before he agrees
to appear. He will not answer questions that do not presuppose his
position is correct and absolute. (I speak with some first hand experience
with this, as a producer of radio interview programs while I was at CBS.)
In fact, recently, in Chicago, he was scheduled for a media tour, all the
TV chat shows, all the radio stations. The day he was in town, the scandal
broke about the e-mails from the University of East Anglia. All his
appearances were summarily cancelled, and he left town under cover, so as
not to have to face questions.
Gore is only, as you say, a politician. And not a very good one at that.
But he is hardly alone in this. Else, why have there been no open debates
on this issue. There is only assertion and denial of opposition. But there
are no questions answered, no evidence challenged.
That's not science, Bruce. That's politics.
History has presented other examples, look at Lister, reviled for his
position that contagion may be spread doctor to patient through
contaminated hands. Virtually, the entire medical community,
scientists...chemists, physicians, surgeons, researchers...all condemned
Lister for his single voice against the concensus. And yet, he was right.
Proven so in the fullness of time.
After the First World War and through the Second, science advocated
eugenics as a true and viable scientific solution to man's ills. Dissent
was fiercely suppressed in some circles. Often with execution a result.
Now widely discredited on scientific grounds, only a few holdouts still
assert eugenics as a means to a societal end. William Shockley was among
them. In the fullness of time, and debate, did the truth emerge through
the politics.
And, as you correctly point out, that a true science must admit it's
incomplete understanding, as is the case in the Climate Change debate, and
answer the more intractable questions in order to complete its
understanding. In which case, dissent is also part of the scientific
process.
Taken in these lights, shooting the messenger, either messenger, is
reprehensible and immoral. Which puts the abject dismissal of dissent in
the same category as those who deny the concensus themselves.
Put that another way, there must be debate for the truth to ultimately
emerge. To dismiss, condemn, or silence either side is to deny the
emergence of the truth through scientific processes.
The Man Made Climate Change advocates, including Gore (yes, a
politician,) have joined many sitting politicians in state and federal
legislative bodies in calling for the silencing through revocation of
grant, through revocation of certification, through termination of
employment of anyone not supporting the Man Made Climate Change agenda.
Read Barbara Boxer's statements on the subject. These individuals, as many
of this body of advocacy, have been guilty of the kind of ugly,
unscientific politics you yourself have here decried.
The truth will be known in the fullness of time. Silencing either side,
shooting either messenger will only support the emergent politics. It will
not support the emergent truth.
Peter. Fabulous post!!!
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