"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 03.10.2011 03:53, schrieb SaPeIsMa:

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If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are
particularly unqualified to comment.


I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I
could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were
there is any befit from this.

In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot
of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the
USA look particularly happy.


And how many wars did the Euros start and fight during that time ?
And how many Euros are particularly proud or happy about those wars


You are right and Europeans fought even more wars than the USA, especially
the UK, that holds the unofficial award for the most militaristic society
on the planet.

(Personally I think, that Hitler was an English spy, but that is my
personal opinion only. Another is, that England regards the USA as a
colony and uses its military to perform a few more invasions. )

The big difference in the great majority of wars where the US got
involved are
1) It was to help someone else
2) It was to avoid someone else becoming the victim of statists
There never was any guarantee that ALL of such attempts would be 100 %
well executed or successful.
But unlike countries like yours, the US has a far better record than
anyone else.

Yes, agreed. The USA usually win wars - but looses the peace. That seems
to be a general pattern, that I do not understand.


The most recent book by John Ringo, "The Hot Gate", actually addresses that
point (albeit indirectly) quite well.
Think of it as 2 tribes that control the government
One group, basically wants to be left alone to do their thing. But if
they get ****ed off, they will go to war, and make sure they win
The other group, is the opposite, they believe that you can negotiate
with anyone about everything. They usually end up screwing the pooch, and
giving away just about everything group one gains.
Vietnam is a prime example
The military did not want to be there. The soldiers didn't want to be
there
But they went and fought and basically gained a military victory.
Which the politicians then managed to turn into a defeat.


You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could
be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That
is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And
this is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing
for civil war). So, were is the benefit?


I'm sure all those Jews, gypsies, and others whom the German government
exterminated felt safe and secure in Germany right before it happened
There are tales of many people, who later ended in camps, who felt that
it just couldn't happen to them


I do not want to justify the crimes of the German government in the so
called 3rd Reich. Germany lost the war and was almost totally destroyed.

Then the Nazis have left Germany, mainly in the direction of South
America. But a god part went to the USA. These Nazis are dangerous people,
especially to their host.


There are others just as bad, if not worse



Only fools who have learned nothing from history would actually trust
and keep trusting governments
Governments are tools to serve people
But to often in the past, the tables were turned and the people ended up
serving the few who controlled government.


No, I don't agree. In a democracy the government is 'We, the people...'.
These governments should never be a thread to their own people. That seems
to be an American speciality, that we don't have in Germany.


Yu are either very ignorant or very confused
Go tell to the millions of Germans, not to mention others who were
exterminated in one way or another during the previous century, by Germany
and other countries.
The US is not even close to those numbers.

There are VERY FEW other countries where the citizens are quite safe from
abuses of their own governments.
And contrary to what most Europeans like to imagine about themselves, the
US is WAY AHEAD of them in that context.



As an aside, I would suggest you read "The Hot Gate" and "The Last
Centurion", by John Ringo, for their political and social commentary.