Am 07.10.2011 02:48, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 06.10.2011 08:52, schrieb Scout:

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Crimes are usually not unavoidable like bad weather. It is a sign of a
degenerated society, that people believe, they could only survive, if
they run around with arms.

Hmmmm....meanwhile the UK has one of the highest violent crime rates
among the leading nations.


I have a lot of friends from England and they all tell me the same
story. They came to Germany, because the situation in the UK is too
tough. It is a very lawless and violent society.
UK is also extremely militaristic and outruns even the USA.

How did that happen?

Well, I don't know. Maybe this is a build in feature of the English
society. Also the UK is highly influenced by masons and other
societies, with questionable objectives.

But at least it's not a degenerated society according to you.

After all who cares about the violence just as long as people aren't
carrying arms around with them.


Actually they have arms, only illegal. The citizens don't have, what
makes them helpless victims of armed kids, that deal with drugs.

Yesterday I visited a friend from Hull in northern England and we were
discussing the situation in the UK and compared that to Germany.
He said, you cannot walk around at night and cannot leave your car on
the street, because you would get beaten up and the car broken or stolen.

The English have also developed hooligans, speed-drinkers and a certain
kind of unmotivated violence.

This is next to disaster for a society and I fail to understand this
development. It's more like situations in Poland or Russia, shortly
after the collapse of communism.

Such a development is almost certainly a sign for something wrong in the
structure of the society.

We compared it with Germany and his words were, that I don't know what a
slum is and even the worst areas of Berlin are better, than were he came
from. E.g. here you can walk alone through a park after midnight, and
almost certainly get home safely. Cars are parking on the streets and
only occasionally one is burned down - what the papers or tv is reporting.

To plaster the cities with cameras doesn't seem to help. Now you have
pictures of the perpetrators. But want you want isn't more inmates in
prisons, but less violence on the streets.

So, what went wrong?
Actually I think, it's the responsibility of masons and the specific
English class system. The masons do something, besides religious
service, that I don't like. They have kind of strange habits, that are
not really beautiful, but almost.
Their behaviour is 'a near miss' - what looks kind of ugly to me - like
these stupid aprons and white gloves. That should somehow symbolize the
clothing of stonecutters (?) Well, to me it is wrong and my impression
is, they do things intentionally wrong. Not significant and not
important, but that adds up and could lead to such catastrophic
developments.
In government everything should be done the best way possible - what the
English clearly doesn't.




And we see how well that society worked as London burned this summer.


The destruction of the English society is something, that really
worries me. Its closer than the USA, but more severe.
Germany is different.

Quite true, with all the blood Germany has on it's hands, it will be a
long time before they are in a position to claim they are superior to
other countries.

No one said that. Germans in general try be calm in this point. The 3rd
Reich is more like a disease, that Germany 'had' - and almost 'died'.
I'm certainly not proud about this episode of our history, but on the
other hand you cannot hold me responsible for that. Like killing the
Indians or the atomic bomb on Hiroshima were nothing, the Americans
should be proud about, but I wouldn't hold you responsible. Or the
unnecessary destruction of Dresden by the British was certainly a crime.
But we're not talking about that.


I will note that I gave you an example of a country that fulfills your
requirements of people not being able to carry around arms....and then
you tell us it's not working.

Seems your idea that you can obtain peace by controlling arms doesn't work.


This was not, what I wanted to say. I meant, that a generally more
peaceful society would not require to carry around guns. The aim should
be, that less crimes are committed in the first place and good, trustful
and well equipped policemen take care about the criminals - and not
armed citizens.

TH