On 10/25/2011 5:17 PM, Scout wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:

Again, you prove yourself a fool, the high level drivers make
the
video
calls to the devices ... the hardware manufactures simply
have to
translate those into assembly ... the same calls are made,
but the
firmware of the manufacturer translates those to fit its'
hardware
...
ATI will be much different the NVIDIA ... but windows makes
the same
calls from its high level driver(s) ... and, windows must
provide
what
the game developers need, the instructions and calls, or it
doesn't
even
get off the ground. Just because a video card slot exists on a
motherboard DOES NOT mean windows has to support it ...

It is the windows kernal which runs the games ... but hey,
glad to
be
able to help you dispel your ignorance! :-)

I'm sorry, but when you really don't know what you're talking
about,
you
should just shut up.

Create a video card, write drivers for it according to Windows
published
requirements and it will work...

...Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with it other than
certifying
the drivers after they've been written.


What a dumb asshole ... you'd better make yourself familiar
with the
windows device driver tools and their specs, moron ...

I am familiar with the process as you obviously are not, since
you said
that Microsoft writes the drivers for other companies' hardware
when
they most certainly do not.


They most certainly do, or more accurately have ... now the hardware
simply needs to have those translated ... new hardware can be
constructed which can do a whole LOT of things that WHQL drivers, are
not aware of and can't use ... not until the windows drivers and
constructed, by microsoft, will those ever be used ...

WHQL is the specification, is the test, is the standard for windows
drivers ... it is the sole creation and property of microsoft.

Like I say, you attempt to use semantics to prove black is really
white
...

No, John. Black is black and white is white.

Microsoft writes the specs to which the driver's must be written...

...but the hardware manufacturers/vendors write them.

Really?

I've got a lot of drivers on my computer, and when I look at the data
I find
most are provided by Microsoft.

In fact, the only drivers which aren't from Microsoft are those I
installed
or downloaded from a manufacturer.

Disk Drivers - Drivers by Microsoft
Disk Interface - Drivers by Microsoft
Keyboard - Driver by Microsoft
Mouse - Driver by Microsoft
Monitor - Driver by Microsoft
Ports - Driver by Microsoft
CPU - Driver by Microsoft
System Devices - Drivers by Microsoft
USB - Driver by Microsoft

Video Card - Driver by Nividia
Ethernet - Driver by Intel
Audio - Drivers by RealTec

If the hardware manufacturers/venders write them, then why do they state
they were provided by Microsoft?

Seems to me if someone else provided the drivers, then they could sue
Microsoft for false representation.

So why haven't they?



Scout: my discussions with John arose specifically about video cards.

So? My default drivers is provided by gasp Microsoft.

Indeed if Microsoft didn't provide a driver for video cards it would be
extremely hard to install the O/S on the computer.


"Windows didn't "go ahead" and do that, John. The companies that build
the graphics cards provide the drivers."

Yep, but Microsoft also produces drivers for graphics cards.

Quickly: Tell us again who wrote the video card drivers on your system...

Initially it was Microsoft.

Later it was Nividia

However, without that graphics card driver from Microsoft I would never
have been able to instead the driver from Nividia.



He is wrong, so now he attempts to narrow the driver down to just what
is created in the card vendors shops ... it is the only avenue of
argument left him ... his argument may well fool the fools ...

Regards,
JS