Peter, the ham community is full of people who know it all each
with their own followers that tailgate and throw barbs.
When Chip came up with Fractals he shared it on this newsgroup
and imediately came under attack, before him it was a vendor
who sold a two element beam, I forget who came before that.
The important thing was that the group atacked for what they
thought was wrong with the ideas and not the good that came
with those experiments. It is natural for somebody who comes
to this group and shares his work would get upset with the
groups aproach as well as the tailgaters who join in with all
the snide comments. I am not surprised that Chip lost his cool
in the light of your and others attacks and others in the
group such as the bum
I also did many years of work on antennas and 'silly me' wanted
to share it with everybody, but ofcourse the community resists the
new.
Two of those ideas I patented as a way of putting out information
instead of persuing a publisher, what did I get from an actual antenna
group,
this one ? Nothing but resistance to new ideas and a verbal hounding
which still goes on from the likes of the bum and the Doctor, so I let
the matter rest. And you talk of scientific correctness in debate,
fine words
of a theoretical nature in this group.

Again after a couple of years I proferred my thoughts on another new
design
which not only was multiband in nature but also goes down to the 160
metre band. For people that were interested in antennas and antenna
design you would think that all would be clamouring for information.
Quite the opposite again....all is known, doesn't that idiot know
that?
So I let it go for a while and then drop morsels of info, 7 Khz
bandwidth,
lossless feed system, Swr stays constant as one turns the radio
frequency dial,
more jibes since 'all is known' about antennas.
Then I drop the fact that it is rotatable but I can do nothing about
what lack of height does to the patterns, but at least I removed the
ground losses from the picture. More mirth especially from tailgaters.
And you talk of professionalism in debate and if who ask for it then
you are asking for pity ? You have to be nuts ! The group postings are
for arguments
or finding a pecking order, not for scietific analysis. Look at bums
comments about Tom one of the most knoweledgeable people in the field
and bum comes along and states that Tom's page is full of errors. Can
you imagine that coming from the likes of the bum and why not, because
it is often the pattern of some members of this group including the
antisemetic jabs made at Chip.
And you Peter, are part of this group that throw barbs to hurt people
and you call me a 'cry baby' for standing up to the likes of you when
the barbs are thrown at me. Well Peter, I respond in kind, since you
show lack of professionalism then so can I, you throw it at me and I
with throw some back.
If interest moves away from anything new then so be it but I am not
embarassed
because of those such as yourself that prejudge everything, throw
barbs
and then throw insults that injure by saying I should throw my antenna
model away, regardles if it workes in practice, has solid mathematical
and scientific background and confirmed also no less by pro computor
program with an overload
calculation points to ensure accuracy. And then you say I should do
this or that, probably to pursue the likes of money, go for it etc
even tho my interests do not lie in that direction. My life as an
engineer was to pursue knoweledge and even tho retired I still persue
same, money is nice but it is not everything if you have enough.
No Peter you make me sick with your actions of prejudgement and
heckling so one cannot be heard. Well Peter it is ham radio's loss
because I and others who want to share and give back to the hobby are
unable to do so because of the
attitude of so called 'know it alls'.
To those who are new to this group I am sorry you are around to see
the worst part of this newsgroup especially when there are so many
well intentioned people, so many people with knoweledge, and then we
get a few people like those who feel they have ownership to a
frequency and talk like they just had more than a few beers and
believe their utterances are interlectual. The hobby has had such
people for a long time, hopefully you will hang around and stay with
the hobby so these people don't win and the hobby dies

Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG



"Peter O. Brackett" wrote in message link.net...
Art:

[snip]
"Art Unwin KB9MZ" wrote in message
So you work alone.
[snip]

No! Heh, heh... can't be a consultant without customers!

One must be people oriented to be successful in business.

People do business with people!

[snip]
Actually I am
surprised that you have a wife
[snip]

Now that's a cruel and vindictive thing to say. You don't even know
me or my wife.

In my humble opinion Mary is the world's most wonderful woman,
a beauty, great dancer and socializer, a great life partner, mother, and
absolute saint to have put up with me for forty years.

Let me share some of her pithy comments with you so that you can see
what she is made of... :-)

She has often said, "don't bring any more of those nerdy ham radio friends
of yours around here all they can talk about is their rigs!". Or another
great
comment, "I'll never drive your car, with all those antennas on it, I don't
want
anyone to think I'm married to a nerd!

Kinda neat isn't she?

[snip]
knowing how vindictive you are as shown
with your outrageous treatment of Chip Cohen.
[snip]

Heh, heh... *My* outrageous treatment of dear sainted Chip?

Be fair Art.

What about his vindictive treatment of me?

He initiated his discourse with unsolicited personal attacks
on me for nothing more innocous than attempting to engage him
in scientific discourse! What?

Hey Art, go back and re-read the postings... Chip launched unwarranted
ad hominem attacks upon my person [not on my questions, statements or
discussions] the very first time he encountered me on this NG. All I had
done was to ask Dr. Cohen for a layman's explanation of what he was trying
to accomplish with fractal antennas. A fair question, no?

My first encounter with Chip on the NG went something like, "Chip: What
are the advantages of fractal antennas over other types". His response?
"Who are you to question me? -- N. Cohen, Ph.D."

For some unknown reason Chip seemed to take questions as a threat
rather than as an opportunity to learn or prosyletize.

Hmmm... it seems to me that you might also have such a "defensive" response
to technical questions as well but with a somewhat different defence
mechanism.

Art, the scientific method is fun, why can't you just be open to technical
questions and criticism and learn from it if you can. What exactly are
you afraid of when people question your ideas?

Your defensive attitude towards the questioning of your peers and
colleagues and subsequent pleas for pity and relief from further questions
because of your professed technical handicaps is not helping your cause.

Instead of hiding from questions and seeking solace in statements of
incompentence, just "have at it"!

"If you want to run with the big dogs you can't sit on the porch!"

Art... technical discourse is just that... technical *discourse*. A
technical
give and take of questions and answers intended to inform, educate and test
the validity of new ideas. It's the basis of the "scientific method".

Never take technical questioning personally! Such questions are not aimed
at your person or behaviour rather they are aimed at your ideas. Take
questions
as an opportunity to hone and improve your ideas.

Handle questions, respond to them, interact. Just do it!

Art you will do your cause more help if you abandon your defensive attitude
and just just stand up and trade information or field technical questions
from your
peers and colleagues, pleas for pity and claims of incompetence lead
nowhere!

Art if you dealt with technical questions here on the NG directly, why then
you will learn from the more knowledgeable and help to teach the less
knowledgeable and further improve or popularize your own inventions.

It's a win-win situation. Don't be a cry baby!

Life is about choices, don't choose to make yourself the worst enemy
or your own ideas!