Patrick Turner wrote:

On Nov 15, 9:31 am, Lord Valve wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 9:59 am, Lord Valve wrote:
John Smith wrote:
On 11/13/2011 2:19 PM, Lord Valve wrote:
John Smith wrote:

On 11/13/2011 10:25 AM, Lord Valve wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:38:28 -0700, Lord Valve
wrote:

dave wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:39:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

It is much more important to know exactly how long and how well your
satellite is going to work than to hope to get longer by using a
technology that might last longer, but will more probably die
unexpectedly when struck by a cosmic ray burst.

Sometimes you can not predict how long a satellite will be used. A
friend of mine worked on a civilian satellite for a defense contractor
and just before the division was sold off, cleaned out any old documents
and files they had on it.

Since the satellite he had worked on was way past its expected life (but
still in use), the contracts had long expired, the work was not
classified and a new improved one was due to be launched in a few days,
he was told to dump it all.

A few days later, the booster exploded on the pad, and the replacement
was destroyed.

The sattelite was kept running for many years, although there were no
documents on what to do or how it was built.

Geoff.

What good is a diagram if the unit is 24,000 miles in the air?

It had better *not* be in the air... ;-)

Besides - I saw mention upthread of using the ambient
vacuum with just the tube elements, rather than a typical
evacuated glass (or other material) enclosure...is the
vacuum in geosynchronous orbit really hard enough?
It would seem to me that there are probably plenty of
gas molecules floating around at that height, even if
it would still qualify as a "soft" vacuum. Anybody?

Lord Valve

For all sorts of other reasons, standard enclosed tubes are used. Main
reasons are first to contain the electrons so other metalwork doesn't
get involved, and second to maintain the correct physical positioning.
The helix is of very fine tolerance in both pitch and positioning.
Space is certainly hard enough, but the environment around a satellite
is frequently not space, but a diffuse cloud of exhaust gas which
would extinguish a TWT immediately.

d

Ah. Good point!

Satellites do indeed need to use propellant of some sort
to keep in position; I didn't think of that at all. And it
would seem that even if the ambient vacuum were
hard enough, conventional construction of the TWT
would be needed to keep contaminants out of it during
the satellite assembly process down on Terra firma.
But I must admit, the idea of using ambient vacuum
tickles my fancy a bit. ;-)

Lord Valve

I don't recall anyone ever claiming there was no enclose on the devices
... just the reasons for enclosing them the way we do on earth is now
gone ...

Regards,
JS

Do you actually read this ****, or have you been into the medicine cabinet?

Lord Valve
shrug

I usually don't read imbecilic stuff ... such as yours. But, if I do, I
certainly do not take it seriously ... perhaps you will have better luck
with others.

Regards,
JS

Oh.

So, you're just another garden-variety ****. shrug
Y'all have a Real Nice Day now, y'heah?

Got guns?

Lord Valve
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John Smith confessed once that he sleeps with a side arm under his
pillow!

He can't keep it on the nightstand like everyone else?

You don't want a pistol in the sack with you...you
might blow your balls off by accident. Although, in
his case...

Got guns?

Lord Valve
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I'll prempt the probability that LV will call me a **** and say to
all, respectfully as any gentleman can, that when I am a ****, I know
it, and so LV needn't tell me about it.

Is LV getting WORSE as he's gettin older? wer'e into about 3 posts
from him with the firstie dissing JS for imbecilic reasons, during a
detailed discussion regarding 10,993.5 ways of building a radio and
including side issues of tubes used in satellites. Innocent stuff. And
who'd have guessed so many would have sprung from the woodwork to
discuss tubey radio thingies when most ppl here thought only 3 people
read r.a.t most days?
Anyway, then after such brevity from LV, we get stuff about guns, and
being American. I reckon LV is frightened witless about the world
outside himself.
I invite him to calm down, nobody is about to force him to be un-
american, and probably nobody would find it interesting to do a home
invasion at LV's house. Surely both activities would be boring, no?
Fat lotta good it does to have a shooter under the pillow when ya
snoring ya head off while someone steps out the window with the family
silver. Well, plasma TV set maybe.
But lemme tell ya, one does sure wake up fast when ya reach fo the gun
while half asleep and ya shoot ya ****ing dick off. Dozen madder;
being dickless at 60 yo probably improves a man. But such an event
does has ya thinkin fast about a doctor - **** the TV set, let 'em
have the darn thang.

Funny thing, I never had no need to ever even consider gettin a gun.
Jus' no need. There's no need for a front fence, and no need for any
dog. There used ta be a shiela livin 5 doors away down my street who
used to have a couple of those horrible little yappie terriers. Story
was that some bloke got slightly too amarous with her when she was 17,
about 20 years before and she never got over it. She had one of those
figures and a face that had blokes jus thinkin only one thing, but she
just couldn't handle any man's advance. Anyway, kids round our way
would chuck small rocks at her house windows whenever they walked
past, and this set off the dogs, and that'd set off her neighbours,
and they'd harrange the poor bitch about her 2 noisy dogs and all dogs
and humans involved took an hour to calm down. Comical it was. Anyway,
she musta moved because we don't cop the yap-yap or the argy-bargy
neighbours any more. Lucky it was that nobody had a gun, and that
nobody shot anyone, deliberately, or by mistake.

Such is life in Austrayan suburbs, where of course there are always a
few ppl who have gorn astray, as ppl do, but remarkably, there is very
little blood on the footpaths.

Patrick Turner.

Well, I....

**** it, it's too complicated to explain. Hit the archives
if you're interested. I haven't shot anyone so far, and
I'm not planning on it. However, they day ain't over...

BTW, you're a ****. I mean that in the nicest possible
way, of course; no more than the usual amount of offense
is intended. Hopefully Mr. Jute is reading this, so my efforts
won't go entirely unappreciated...

Got guns? (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got_Milk%3F )

Lord Valve
American - so far (you figure it out)