"Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uh.. no.. you have a theory or question, but aren't willing or able to
do
the work (or find someone else to do the work) to actual resolve the
issue.

Yes. I am not able.
But here is nothing to do. Some people know the Doppler effects
components:
"the Doppler has several components: one from the rotation of Earth, one
from the rotation of Mars (for a surface asset), and one from the
relative
motion of Mars and Earth"

I am looking for information about relative motion of "Mars and Earth"
and
"Earth and Pioneer".

You sound like the man in the street who claims that "the theory of
relativity is wrong".
But in your case you don't even refer to something as complex as
relativity but as simple as doppler shift.

There are existing formulas that allow you to calculate the doppler
shift when knowing the speed of the items, and the measured results
confirm what you calculate. So why do you keep questioning it?

It is true for the Earth rotating.
For the orbital movement of the Earth the result is null according to "the
theory of relativity".

When you have found an old article that does not agree with what is
measured today, why do you keep insisting that the old article is
correct and suggeest the theory is wrong, when you don't have the
capability to back that up with proofs that you present yourself?
Isn't it better to assume that the measurements in the old article were
not correct?

In physics textbooks the old article is correct.

Once mo "Today's spectrograph astronomers assume that the effect is not
null.

It seems to me that today's astronomers are wrong because in physics are
still null result.
So I am looking for the result from communication with the spacecraft."

I should wrote: "Some astronomers ASSUME..."

To be precise now are available the spectrograph with built-in the
corrections for the all movements of the Earth and Sun.
But user can switch off same of them.
It seems to me that at measurements of the radial speeds of stars the
correction for the orbital speed of the Earth should be switched-off.

What is your opinion?
S*