On 11/27/2011 11:54 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 11/26/11 15:01 , Bret Cahill wrote:
On Thanksgiving Day, Americans gather with their family and
friends to
celebrate the blessings that Providence has bestowed on their
beloved
country.

A deep appreciation of these blessings involves understanding
that
they were earned. It is to understand the awesome truth of how
"God
helps those who help themselves" applies to the Mayflower
Pilgrims and
their First Thanksgiving at America's birth.

This is an appreciation and understanding of which those on
the Left
are incapable - for it would mean celebrating the capitalist
freedom
that made that original Thanksgiving possible. This no
liberal, no
Democrat, no leftie can do. Thus they must distort history
instead.

The distortion starts in Kindergarten, with the childish
make-believe
of your kid's school play portraying the noble Squanto
teaching the
helpless Pilgrims how to feed themselves. So let's drop the
curtain
on the distortion and watch the real thing. Here it is.

http://www.ToThePointNews.com/content/view/4762/2/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheelerwww.ToThePointNews.com

Dr. Wheeler needs to know that God help those who can't help
themselves which is what he did on the cross. Man had no hope, but
God intervened and took the penalty for all sin. Now, all man
has to
do is believe and he is forgiven of all sin.

The first Thanksgiving was all about giving thanks to God for his
many
blessings he had given the Pilgrims as they crossed the sea and
afterwards when they had established homes in the Cape Cod
area. The
first Thanksgiving was a prayfull three day celebration.

What Tracey won't talk about is that the Mayflower Compact
prescribed
a socialist style of property distribution and socialist
government.

Yep, our once great nation started out as a socialist colony. Both
the early Virginians and the Plymouth settlers subscribed to
socialism.

And it worked.

Separation of church and state got started with the pilgrims.

Bret Cahill

Yet We have settled for keeping the Federal government out of
religion.....

The word *separate* is NOT used in the constitution to describe the
relationship between government and religion.

Just the more powerful term "establishment."

Bret Cahill

Oh, I think "we" have ... take marriage for example, given to Adam and
Eve by God ... the government simply has no right to redefine it ...
and

Yes they do ignore the constitution that tells government to stay out of
the "business" of religion. My point was that "we" The People decided in
the constitution that "congress shall NOT establish a National religion"
but there is NOTHING written in the constitution saying that religions
can't be present in government.

The constitution powers/laws limit government, they're NOT there to
limit religion

Seven (7) state constitutions from the Revolution had outright bans
against priests, athiests and ministers holding public office and it
was unthinkable everywhere else.


States are NOT the Federal Government. And the limits on the Government
defined by the Constitution are limits on the Federal government.

The states may more or less do what they like.

But the distinction above is well made...there is a difference between
not establishing a national religion and barring religion from being
present in Government.

There is also a significant difference between religion and faith.





I would absolutely state that the states MUST conduct laws, rules and
regulations well within the bounds set by the Constitution -- obviously
they are not. However, today, our public servants seem to be in
competition as to which of them can get by with the most treasonous acts
against the people which the SHOULD be serving ... indeed, I take strong
excepting with them attempting to become "leaders" when their sole
purpose is to be SERVANTS of the real government, the one of the people,
by the people and for the people.

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!