On Nov 30, 5:40*am, dave wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:15:47 -0600, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 11/27/11 14:43 , John Smith wrote:
On 11/27/2011 11:54 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 11/26/11 15:01 , Bret Cahill wrote:
On Thanksgiving Day, Americans gather with their family and
friends to
celebrate the blessings that Providence has bestowed on their
beloved
country.

A deep appreciation of these blessings involves understanding
that
they were earned. It is to understand the awesome truth of
how "God
helps those who help themselves" applies to the Mayflower
Pilgrims and
their First Thanksgiving at America's birth.

This is an appreciation and understanding of which those on
the Left
are incapable - for it would mean celebrating the capitalist
freedom
that made that original Thanksgiving possible. This no
liberal, no
Democrat, no leftie can do. Thus they must distort history
instead.

The distortion starts in Kindergarten, with the childish
make-believe
of your kid's school play portraying the noble Squanto
teaching the
helpless Pilgrims how to feed themselves. So let's drop the
curtain
on the distortion and watch the real thing. Here it is.

http://www.ToThePointNews.com/content/view/4762/2/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheelerwww.ToThePointNews.com

Dr. Wheeler needs to know that God help those who can't help
themselves which is what he did on the cross. Man had no hope,
but
God intervened and took the penalty for all sin. Now, all man
has to
do is believe and he is forgiven of all sin.

The first Thanksgiving was all about giving thanks to God for
his many
blessings he had given the Pilgrims as they crossed the sea
and afterwards when they had established homes in the Cape Cod
area. The
first Thanksgiving was a prayfull three day celebration.

What Tracey won't talk about is that the Mayflower Compact
prescribed
a socialist style of property distribution and socialist
government.

Yep, our once great nation started out as a socialist colony.
Both the early Virginians and the Plymouth settlers subscribed
to socialism.

And it worked.

Separation of church and state got started with the pilgrims.

Bret Cahill

Yet We have settled for keeping the Federal government out of
religion.....

The word *separate* is NOT used in the constitution to describe
the relationship between government and religion.

Just the more powerful term "establishment."

Bret Cahill

Oh, I think "we" have ... take marriage for example, given to Adam
and Eve by God ... the government simply has no right to redefine
it ... and

Yes they do ignore the constitution that tells government to stay
out of
the "business" of religion. My point was that "we" The People
decided in
the constitution that "congress shall NOT establish a National
religion"
but there is NOTHING written in the constitution saying that
religions can't be present in government.

The constitution powers/laws limit government, they're NOT there to
limit religion

Seven (7) state constitutions from the Revolution had outright bans
against priests, athiests and ministers holding public office and it
was unthinkable everywhere else.

States are NOT the Federal Government. And the limits on the
Government defined by the Constitution are limits on the Federal
government.

The states may more or less do what they like.

But the distinction above is well made...there is a difference between
not establishing a national religion and barring religion from being
present in Government.

There is also a significant difference between religion and faith.

I would absolutely state that the states MUST conduct laws, rules and
regulations well within the bounds set by the Constitution -- obviously
they are not.

* *Re-read the document...Powers specifically assigned to and limited
for the Federal Goverment apply only to the Federal Government. Those
powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the Federal Government are
reserved for the States.
Dave -wrt- The tenth amendment was the first
one to go Impeach Thomas and Scalia

-correction- The Tenth Puff was the First One
to make Thomas and Scalia look Peachy

M4* Mania Dave -exclaiming-
Woo Dude I See -8^8- Thomas and Scalia
in the Smoke from my Hash-Pipe -Wow-!-

Tweak-Out M4* Mania Dave - bong-di-bong ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oFX7IgLlDk

* Mucho Medical-Marijuana Madness [M4]