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Old September 23rd 12, 04:11 AM
Channel Jumper Channel Jumper is offline
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Originally Posted by Ralph Mowery View Post
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Spend your money once and spend it right.

My first antenna was a G5RV which is a poor antenna and is a non
resonant antenna, that does work on 20 meters, but only 20 meters.

My second antenna was a Solorcon / Antron A99 Vertical - which works
well for 10 / 12 / 15 and 17 - with my internal antenna tuner.
I do not like external antenna tuners.

Your technician class license will not allow you to operate anything
lower then 10 meters phone 28.300 - 28.500 MHz USB....

If you are going to spend good money on a resonant HF antenna - that
does not require a expensive antenna tuner - you would want to purchase
a Barker & Williamson BWD 90 - folded dipole.

I'm not sure if you are going to be happy with your combo HF / VHF / UHF
transceiver. It lacks good filtering and doesn't do anything especially
well - other then it affords you the opportunity to use it in more then
one band or mode...

The price of the B&W will probably be one third of what you spent on the
706..

For listening, it doesn't matter how high you put it up, as long as you
put it up and use the best possible coax to feed it.

Two meters / 440 - you would want to purchase a Diamond X 500 and get it
up as high as you can and feed it with the best possible coax such as
the Belden 9913F7 or LMR 400


For the cost of the B&W BWD 90 you can get a tuner and use a more simple
dipole. The B&W is really just a big dummy load of an antenna. I have
worked several stations that use them and they were not very strong
compaired to other stations near them. The military uses them because they
can run plenty of power to make up for the short commings of the B&W. Also
they operate over many frequencies and want something simple that will cover
them. It is almost like a radiating dummy load.

The G5RV is ok if high enough. Still nothing special except for maybe 20
meters if the stations are in the correct direction. It does need tuner for
transmitting.

For just receiving, just about anything is ok as many have mentioned.

There is nothing wrong with the Icom 706 for casual use. I have one and a
746pro and they compair very well for casual usage except for the filtering
the 746 has. I do have a cw filter in the 706 that helps out for cw and
rtty. For the price, the 706 is a fine radio.
I think it is more then obvious that you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to antenna's.

The key to any antenna is LOCATION / LOCATION / LOCATION....

If you are in a crappy location, it is not going to work well...

If you are in a good location, the B & W 90 will out talk your Carolina Windom or any other long wire antenna, due to the fact that antenna tuners reduce the amount of power applied and they do not physically tune the antenna, just the coax to the antenna. The only tuners that works is the ones that are placed directly at the feed point of the antenna, not something inside of the shack...

The B&W 90 on 20 meters acts kind of like a beam antenna, which exhibits some forward gain - due to the nature of it's construction.
The one wire acts like a reflector while the other wire acts like a driven element.

On 40 meters it still acts like a 1.5 wave antenna and on 80 meters it acts like a Dipole antenna...

On 160 meters - if you wanted to be all that you could be - it would need to be 80' or more } depending upon terrain } off the ground to get in the right place for it to be at optimum height...
It also depends upon the ground {earth } underneath the antenna...
Wet / swampy earth is always better then rocky dry soil....

You have to realize what arrival angle the DX signals come in at and the fact that there is two signals you are receiving, both the direct path { good} and the reflection off the earth { bad} at Gb before reaching our station location..

Unless you compared the two antenna's at the same location at the same time, at the same height within one hour of each other, there is no way for sure for you to comment about which antenna works best...

10 - 40 meters band equals about 19.9 meters of height mininum / needed to get optimal angle.

20 meters likes about 32 meters of height, heights between 15 and 32 meters - { 50 - 105 feet are about as good as you can get} for anything between 6 meters and 160 meters....

Most people just puts their wire antenna in a tree about 40' high or strings it up between two towers and calls it good enough.
The problem is - there is a null on the ends of the antenna and the path that the signal uses isn't always a straight line...

The problem is - with a 160 meter antenna, this is hard to accomplish, hence it is easier to use a vertical antenna for 80 and 160 meters - but is very expensive to use a base tuner and a 80 / 160 meter vertical antenna - which must be supported by some type of tower in most locations.

The wind would damage it quickly and its survival rate would be poor without some type of support...

At the same time, my antenna is mounted 20' off the ground between two houses, and a jib boom mounted on the back of my house, fed with 40' of cheap Radio Shack coax and it still talks well in most directions.

I can hear north / south / east / west with a antenna that is aimed east and west and sometimes when the Maritime Mobile net or the YL network needs a relay station, I can relay between two signals - where they are using some type of beam antenna for the monitoring station and the person trying to check in either has a beam with a poor signal or a G5RV...
And I never run more then 100 watts!

Even when they are running 1000 watts - my signal still is better then most peoples signals on 20 and 40 meters....
If I really need some help, I just turn on the processor and it has enough compression that I can get through, even when there is a pile up...