On 1/29/2014 3:15 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 1/29/2014 11:48 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Usenet hadn't "been around
for years and years" like you claim. Where's your proof?

"Usenet is a worldwide distributed Internet discussion system. It was
developed from the general purpose UUCP dial-up network architecture."

"Usenet is one of the oldest computer network communications systems
still in widespread use."

"It was originally built on the "poor man's ARPANET," employing UUCP as
its transport protocol to offer mail and file transfers, as well as
announcements through the newly developed news software such as A News."

"Usenet was connected to ARPANET through UC Berkeley which had
connections to both Usenet and ARPANET."

"By 1983, the number of UUCP hosts had grown to 550, nearly doubling to
940 in 1984."

"Since the Internet boom of the 1990s, almost all Usenet distribution is
over NNTP."

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

Or you can find the same thing at:

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/node256.html
http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/origins.html

Among other places.


Gee, you can cut and paste. But none of these references discuss
anything about the programs on ARPANET which led these programs.

That is because USENET preceded ARPANET, you babbling fool.


You have no idea. ARPANET started in the 60's.

And the Berkley link to ARPANET occurred very early and is what made
Usenet viable. Many of those using earlier versions started their own
NNTP servers (before NNTP there was no real standardization - mainly
email and telnet).

No, it did not as very few systems were or could be connected to ARPANET
at that time. The vast majority of sites passing USENET were modem
connected until the late 80's by which time there was no ARPANET.


Yes, the link to ARPANET is what made Usenet useful. Before that, it
was just a few, mostly single-user, systems using slow modems (i.e. 300
baud) that connected to another system. This usually occurred in the
middle of the night, and one system would only call one or two others
due to the long distance rates.

Not many people used it because it could take days for a message to go
from one end of the system to another, depending on the direction of
travel (generally faster east to west). And unless you had a node in
your town (not too many of them), it was a long distance call.

Once Berkeley linked it into ARPANET (which was almost as fast as
today's internet - while link speeds were slower, traffic was also
lower), updates on ARPANET servers were much faster, and Usenet took off.

By the late 80's, pretty much everything had moved to the Internet, with
some people providing modem links.

Usenet didn't just appear out of nowhere, although the articles seem to
indicate it did. It was the result of several years of experimentation
by people all over the country (and to a limited extent, around the world).

True, but irrelevant to how traffic was carried.

Traffic was UUCP over modem connections because that was all that was
available and affordable to most sites until the Internet boom.


Irrelevant because it doesn't conform to your story? I think not. It
is QUITE relevant; without that history, usenet as we know it would not
have occurred. We might have *something* - but probably not *this*.

Maybe that would have been a good thing - then trolls like you could be
banned.

But then trolls will claim anything, even without proof.

Self declared experts at everything hate it when it is pointed out to
them they are wrong.


Yea, you really do hate being shown you are wrong.

What a laugh you are struggling to maintain your superiority to othere.


Unlike you, I don't care if people think I am superior or not. All I
care about is setting the record straight.

You seem to be the one always bringing up superiority issues. But then
trolls always try to pin their problems on others.

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