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Old April 4th 14, 06:35 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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Wimpie wrote:
El 04-04-14 2:35, escribió:


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Yep, but it isn't a GP antenna which by definition has a radiator about
1/4 lambda.


I understand your reasoning, but do a google (image) search on "GPA
antenna" and you we see that many people don't follow your convention.
5/8 and 1/2 WL are also included. It is not the name, but the
operating princple that is of importance.


Sorry, I follow what engineering text books say, not what some Google
search algorithm comes up with.

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You will have common mode currents of some magnitude with ANY GP type
antenna.


Clear, but by using a half wave radiator (end-fed) CM current is about
13 dB lower to start with, and that saves me a lot of aluminum that
doesn't contribute to the radiation. Again, I know
design/construction is more elaborate.


Did you include the coax shield in your simulation?

All antennas connected with coax will have a long conductor consisting of
the coax shield running from the radials to about ground.

You will be hard pressed to notice 1 dB difference in a typical amateur
system.


that was the reason I mentioned:
"The effect of sloping angle on zero elevation gain is small, and you
get hardly measurable more gain when they are almost vertical. Sloping
radials have some other advantage: less birds."


The biggest advantage to sloping radials is they move the impedance from
20 Ohms to much closer to 50 Ohms.

I still can't reproduce, or find a reliable reference for your 3.67
dbi for a quarter wave with quarter wave 85 degr sloping radials.


This will make the third time I will say that number is probably the
result of small angles and closely spaced wires, i.e. garbage.

We drifted away somewhat from Irv's posting....


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Jim Pennino