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Old October 13th 14, 09:37 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Jeff Liebermann[_2_] Jeff Liebermann[_2_] is offline
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Default OK, let's discuss dipoles vs length

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:26:23 -0500, Lostgallifreyan
wrote:

If any given directional antenna can radiate at its best to one particular
direction, is it safe to assume that it will be at its best similarly aimed
when receiving?


Yes. For purposes of calculations and under most conditions, the
pattern is the same for transmit and receive for most antennas.

However, there are plenty of confusing exceptions. A common exception
is putting a 2.4GHz USB Wi-Fi dongle at the focus of a dish or corner
reflector. The USB dongle is almost an isotropic radiator, which
spews RF in all directions. If you transmit from the USB dongle, most
of the RF will never hit the dish antenna and wander off to parts
unknown. Only the part that hits the dish eventually ends up going
towards the other end of the wireless link. However, in receive,
almost all of the signal that hits the dish, gets reflected to the USB
dongle. Therefore the gain is higher in receive, than in transmit.

If the USB dongle were replaced with a proper dish feed, where the
bulk of the transmit RF hits the dish, the dish becomes more
"efficient". About 50% to 70% efficiencies are typical. However, it
is also possible to mess that up in the opposite direction. Instead
of a very non-directional feed, suppose I use as a feed, a high gain
directional antenna with a very narrow beamwidth. Instead of spraying
RF outside of the dish edge (over-spray), It puts all of it into a
narrow diameter spot somewhere on the dish surface. This time, the
symmetry is in the opposite direction. Transmit is fine, because all
of the power produced by the feed hits the spot and is radiated in the
direction of the other end of the link. However, receive is now a
problem because none of the RF seen by the dish OUTSIDE the area of
the spot is "seen" by the spot. Therefore, the gain is higher in
transmit, than in receive.

Gone to move some firewood...

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