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Old July 9th 15, 02:27 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
John S John S is offline
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Default An antenna question--43 ft vertical

On 7/8/2015 6:43 PM, wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote:

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Ralph Mowery wrote:


Can you show any place where the SWR definition mentions the Source
impedance ?

I have several times now, but once again:

SWR = (1 + |r|)/(1 - |r|)

Where r = reflection coefficient.

r = (Zl - Zo)/(Zl + Zo)

Where Zl = complex load impedance and Zo = complex source impedance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_coefficient

http://www.antenna-theory.com/tutori...nsmission3.php


YOu have just proven my point. Read carefully from your refernce to
Wikipedia :

"The reflection coefficient of a load is determined by its impedance and
the impedance toward the source."

Notice it says TOWARD and not THE SOURCE.


Notice it actually says "the impedance toward the source".

From the second referaence notice that it says load impedance and impedance
of the transmission line. Nothing mentions the source at all:


What the hell do you think the transmission line is in this case if
not the source?

"The reflection coefficient is usually denoted by the symbol gamma. Note
that the magnitude of the reflection coefficient does not depend on the
length of the line, only the load impedance and the impedance of the
transmission line. Also, note that if ZL=Z0, then the line is "matched". In
this case, there is no mismatch loss and all power is transferred to the
load."


Perhaps you would like the second link better as it has pictures.

Of maybe this one that explains it all starting with lumped equivelant
circuits.

http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/ap...dex.mvp/id/742

Notice that ALL the links talk about the source impedance.


So, you are saying Zo is the source impedance while every one else
thinks it is the characteristic impedance of the line. Go back to your
books and look up the definition of Zo.