Len Over 21 wrote:

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It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.

Yet he knows more about radio then you.

It hasn't been demonstrated that he knows more about radio "then" me.

YOU won't accept any evidence that any court would accept as
valid. You wish to posture as judge, jury, and executioner. You
are none of those.

That matters not. You don't have any such "evidence". What I wrote is
quite correct. Neither Brian nor you knows whether you know more about
radio than me.

I've presented just a tiny bit of the "evidence" I have on what I've
done, complete with all references for independent investigation
in this newsgroup. You have disregarded all of that, preferring to
act the judge, jury, and executioner in order to "win" some kind of
"debate" that only exists in your mind. You have presented nothing
but generalities without any corroborating evidence.

You've presented nothing as "evidence". You've just made claims.

You insist on making this some kind of personal "battle" over some
imagined "superiority" in amateurism and the "elitism" as well as
"superiority" of your status, rank, title, etc. in nothing but amateur
radio. That keeps happening regardless of the subject title or thread.

That wouldn't be correct, Len. Superiority in amateurism doesn't enter
into it. You aren't a radio amateur. You have nothing to do with
amateur radio. You are to amateur radio what a bowling pin is to
archery.


You keep forgetting you aren't any official and aren't any judge (you
keep falling off the bench). You may think you speak for some
"majority" of ham radio but all you do is speak for yourself.

You aren't any official but you are officious.
You aren't a judge but you are judgmental toward radio amateurs.
You believe you know best how amateur radio should be regulated but you
are not a radio amateur. You are a self-anointed committee of one and
you are a non-participant.


All you can
do is attempt to put down others not agreeing with you.

Naw, Len. That's not all I do. I do pay special attention to your
posts though.

There is every possibility that Len knows more about electronics theory
than me.

Not only theory, but design, practical hardware prototyping to finished
product, field application and liason, and writing about it in national
magazines. I've done all that as a professional AND as a hobbyist in
radio-electronics.

Okay. There's every possibility that Len knows more about electronics
theory (to include design, practical hardware prototyping in finished
product, field application and liason, and writing about it in national
magazines).

There is a similar possibility that I have much more
operational experience in "radio" or that I have much more knowledge of
wave propagation than Len.

"Wave propagation?" Would you know Biot from Savart?

Old Jean Bapiste and Felix? Certainly.

E and H fields?

But of course.

Knife-edge diffraction?

Most assuredly.

Were you intimately
involved with HF
communications across the Pacific in the early 1950s for "24/7"
primary communications service?

I knew there'd be a trick question. Why no, Len. I was busy being ages
two through five in the early 1950's. No responsible entity would be
likely to put a preschooler in such a position.

I was "intimately" involved with HF communications across the Pacific in
the 1960's at hours of my own choosing. My station also worked across
the Atlantic and across the Indian Ocean. It did so with less power
than yours and I was still a teenager.

I was "intimately" involved with HF military communications, working
transatlantic and transpacific paths using a variety of log periodic,
inverted discone and rhombic antennas and either 10 kw or 45 kw
transmitters from 1968-1970. The station was in operation 24/7 but I
generally pulled eight hour shifts.

I was "intimately" involved with in-country HF military operations for a
year in Vietnam.

I spent fifteen "intimate" years overseas with the U.S. Department of
State where I was responsible for all HF and VHF communications whether
by voice, asynchronous data or morse.

I've spent forty years as an active radio amateur, operating various
modes on bands from 1.8 through 432 MHz.

I can go on and on without ever
touching the recorded and evidencible facts of having spent three
years being actively involved with the latter. That grates on you.

Three years? Three measly years? It grates on me that you'd dare
compare your three years to my experience and pretend to have a lock on
knowledge.

Put that in your Icepack and stroke it.

Is this the part where you eat me for breakfast?

There is a certainty that I have forty years
more experience in amateur radio than Len.

I've been a radio-electronics hobbyist for 56 years and never bothered
to get any amateur radio license with its official certificate plus the
rank/title/status accorded it by some other amateurs.


I'm certain that no one here wants to "bother" you.


You ARE
granted that one item but it would seem you've never ventured out of
"the bands" (HF) for all your tenure as an amateur.

1.8 through 432 MHz *just* as an amateur. Don't you feel foolish?


How can that be if he has no experience?

What I wrote addressed Len's experience in amateur radio. He has none.

Since when is that SUCH an important factor in "radio?"

This group deals with amateur radio and my comments were addressed to
you lack of amateur radio experience.

The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or staff to hold amateur
licenses. The Congress of the United States has never chartered the
FCC to "only" regulate US amateur radio by licensed radio amateurs.

You aren't paid to regulate radio. You're just some guy with no amateur
radio license.

You keep acting like some kind of land squatter, claiming territorial
imperative and divine right for holding a grant a long time.

No, I'm not a squatter. I have a license which says I am permitted to
operate anywhere in the amateur bands. What's your story?


That alone
is NO evidence of ANY expertise, only the ability to not be caught for
violations and being able to renew your vaunted license every decade
or so.


If you had obtained such a license, you'd be in the same boat.

So why so do you give him so much attention?

A smart fellow would have figured out that laughing at Len isn't exactly
an endorsement of his views.

You wish to squelch all opponents to your royal viewpoints by trying
to make fun of them, trying to put them down.

I don't have any royal viewpoints but I do enjoy a laugh at your
expense. If I can share it with others, so much the better.

You can't bear the thought that your viewpoints aren't of the nobility,
divine statements of some higher radio god. Since you can't talk on
the subjects, you try to hit the person of the communicator.

Shall I repost some more of your old archived material to refresh your
memory of reality, Len? I wouldn't have to go back very far in the
archives.

That's been evident for years in here.

It is sure to be "evident" to a guy who sees only what others do but who
is blind to his own past and present actions.

Must you try to tear down Len at every opportunity to boost your stature?

Poking fun at Leonard Anderson has never been done for purposes of
boosting my own stature, nor is it a "must" on my list of things to do.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...false claim.

How would you know that, Leonard?

It is fairly clear what you do to anyone not embracing your godlike views
of amateurism...try to put them down any way you can.

That doesn't matter. You are in no way involved.

After all these years you keep failing. The technique doesn't work.

Really? The indications are otherwise.

If I had to list reasons for doing so, I'd likely come up with a list
like:

1) Because Len Anderson does it to others on a continuing basis

Poor baby. It's "okay" to attempt humiliation of others because
you are a radio god and you've been an amateur for four decades.

I note you didn't address your own shortcomings.

Sigh...another over-inflated EGO...

There, there, Leonard. Your ego isn't THAT big.

2) Because my views are in opposition to those held by Anderson, a
non-radio amateur.

Hardly. :-)

Hardly in opposition or hardly a radio amateur?

Google is full of Heil's put-downs and humiliations of NON-licensed
radio amateurs...because Heil feels they are "inferior" to his godlike
status. :-)

Individuals? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

3) Because Len comes across as a pontificating windbag who sees
himself as an expert in all things relating to radio communication.

Poor baby. More damage evident to the super ego of Heil's.

Really? I checked my ego and it seems intact. Better check yours for
leaks.

I've never claimed "expertise" in any field of endeavor, just a few where
I've had lots of experience, hands-on experience for a long time. That's
anathema to Heil and his "superior" four decades as an AMATEUR.

The experience you listed above doesn't seem like very much at all.

To quote another quoting a late ballplayer, "It ain't braggin if ya done
it."

I've done a lot. :-)

....but you never quite got around to nailing that elusive amateur radio
license.

4) Because it is soooooo easy.

No...because you are unable to argue on the subjects. All you can do
is attempt put-downs, attempt humiliating others who won't worship you
as the "foremost authority."

Would you really like to see those Anderson quotes from Google?

Living a fantasy is VERY easy. No work required, very little thought.
Fantasylands allow anyone to destroy their "opponents" with impunity.

Is this anything like your fantasy that you're a real radio amateur?
Do you ever wake up and realize that this is only a newsgroup and that
you aren't a part of the real thing?

Feel free to indulge your super ego and demand all do as you say.

I've never demanded you do anything, Len. I don't give a rat's patoot
if you ever obtain a ham ticket.

Few will.

A few might if any demands had ever been made...but they've never been
made.


You aren't the "authority" and are no "official."

Back at ya, Len and you're no radio amateur.

Your credence
went to hell along with your robust oberst uniform a long time ago.

No, my Creedence went to Helsinki. I don't know what to make of your
peculiar comment about a uniform.

Dave K8MN