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Old September 20th 03, 11:29 PM
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In article , "Clint"
rattlehead@computronDOTnet writes:

sending and receiving CW isn't a building block
to anything else.....

Yes, it is.

First, it's a building block to the use of the mode on the air.

Although
other
services have pretty much stopped using Morse Code, hams use it
extensivley,
and an amateur license is permission to operate an amateur station,

not
a
station in another service.

Roger that, Reverend Jim...

Who is "Reverend Jim", Len? You and Brian Burke keep using that name
to address someone.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...you've never seen "Taxi" then... :-)


I've seen most episodes of Taxi. My name's not Ignatowksi.


We've all seen your prodigious output here in the Newsgroup.


And we've all seen your even-more-prodigious output here in this newsgroup,
Len. Under a wide variety of AOL screen names - nocwtest, lenof21, averyfine,
averyfineman, lenover21, and probably more.

Perhaps you aspire to emulate Louie DePalma...;-)

Your surname is Miccolis but you are a dead-ringer for the Rev. Jim
character, totally stoked on morsemanship...spaced out as to any
other radio communications mode.


Not me. I use a variety of communications modes.

It can't be me, because I graduated from electrical engineering
school, not divinity school. And my name isn't Ignatowski ;-)


What engineering school did you graduate from, Len?

One right here in Southern California...


One without a name...:-


It's easy enough for a BSEE to find out. Not that many out here.


But you won't tell us the name.

On the other hand, it is difficult to figure out WHERE YOU WORK,
in terms of an actual company name.


That's right. Because it's not relevant to an amateur radio policy discussion.

You rationalize on "not revealing it" for some kind of "fear" of getting
"bad mail" from others.

Nope. It's not relevant.

And, it's just common sense that no matter what job I hold/held, and no matter
who my employer(s) are/were, they would not make any difference in your
behavior towards me.

I think your REAL fear is just in everyone discovering you don't do a
damn thing in radio for a living.


Nope.

The only REAL fear is yours, because you desperately want to know, but I won't
tell you.

No problem for me. I've revealed most of my employers in here, plus a
number of personal references who are long-time licensed radio amateurs.


None of the employers had anything to do with amateur radio. They're irrelevant
to the discussion.

You want to knwo them for reasons that have nothing to do with amateur radio.

You won't do that.

I've given a number of personal references who are long-time licensed radio
amateurs, too, Len.

But what's really relevant is what a person has done in amateur radio. I've
been an active, licensed radio amateur for almost 36 years - operating,
building stations, writing articles, elmering, etc. You wrote a few basic
articles for a now-defunct amateur radio periodical and have never held any
class of amateur radio license.

All you seem to want is some kind of "rep" in the newsgroup for being here
almost all of your free time, writing terribly long, boring peans to
yourself
and morsemanship...when not using the newsgroup as some kind of "chat
room" in talking about absolutely non-radio-amateur subjects.


That's not me, Len. It's you - except the ""peans to morsemanship" are
"diatribes against Morse code" in your case.

IN the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service...

No such thing exists.

Yes it do, de facto, just not de jure. :-)


DeJur made projectors. You're projecting ;-)


I'm telling it like it is.


HAW! That's almost funny.

You're projecting your own reactions and motivations onto others. Classical
transference behavior, really.

I've been "in" the Amateur Radio Service for almost 36 years. You have
not done so for even one day.

That's nice, Len. On what amateur band did you bootleg with it?


Hmm?

Or was
it a broadcast band device so you could pretend you were on "Ted
Mack's Amateur Hour"? ;-)

I've never bootlegged on anything after 1948.


Ah - but that means you may have bootlegged in 1948 and before!


YOU don't really KNOW if I "bootlegged" at all, do you?


Nope. But you raised the subject, not me.

I wrote (emphasis added):

"you *MAY* have bootlegged in 1948 and before!"

Maybe you did - and maybe you didn't.

I will say categorically that I have *never* bootlegged - that is, operated
illegally.

Can you say the same thing, Len?

All you want to do is to selectively use my messages as an ignition
point for a Flame War.


Nope.

Either you bootlegged before 1949 or you didn't.

Which is it?

YOU didn't exist in 1948. That was 55 years ago.


Irrelevant.

Either you bootlegged before 1949 or you didn't.

Which is it?

You have NO KNOWLEDGE of what I did back then or even 56 years
ago, but you are trolling, trolling, looking for a Flame Fest to start.


Nope.

Either you bootlegged before 1949 or you didn't.

Which is it?

So, great big expert radio ham, tell US your "personal experiences" with
small output personal wireless AM broadcast band links of the pre-1950
period.


Irrelevant.

Either you bootlegged before 1949 or you didn't.

Which is it?

Come clean and tell the group all about it. It will be good for your
soul to admit your checkered past.


Go stick a whouff-hong someplace, pervert.

It will satisfy your sex life.


Sounds like you're getting angry, Len. If you don't have a checkered past,
there's nothing to admit. Your anger *may* indicate a guilty conscience....;-)
;-)

Either you bootlegged before 1949 or you didn't.

Which is it?

It's more than you had done in RADIO at that age.

And mine was legal. No bootlegging.


YOU didn't exist in 1947...or 1948.


Doesn't matter.

What I did at 13 is much more than you had done at age 14.

By February 1953 I was already (at 20 years of age) a soldier serving
overseas, assigned to an Army radio station with the callsign ADA.
I was with ADA for three years.


Fascinating - you were 14 in 1948 but 20 in early 1953.

You've never served in the armed forces of the United States, much less
"assigned overseas."


I never claimed to be. How is that relevant to amateur radio or bootlegging by
14 year olds?

You've made fun of my military service in the past. [that's in Google, by
the way, you seem to live part of your time there...]


Where? Produce the post.

I dare ya! ;-)

Shall we google up your frequent insults and denigrations of others' military
and government service?

For example - how about the way you made fun of Jeffrey Herman's Coast Gurad
shore station radio operating?


You want to be honored a respected for being safely within in the USA
borders, never serving. You want to make fun of those veterans who
who don't love your blessed sacrament, morsemanship.


Not me. But you sure do demonstrate the principle of "can dish it out but can't
take it".

By 1967 I'd already DESIGNED and mostly built (technician help was
not always available) several UHF to microwave RF emitters of more
that 10 Watts.


Well, give Len a Nobel Prize for accomplishment in physics!

In 1967 you were almost three times 14 years old.


Wow, for an ALLEGED MSEE, you've got BAD arithmetic skills.


Nope.

Three times fourteen is forty-two.


The answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

1967 - 42 = 1925.

And I wrote "almost three times 14". *almost*

I was born in 1932.


And you were 14 in 1948, huh? Talk about bad math skills!

In early 1967 I was 34 years old, my Honorable Discharge was
7 years in the past.

And it was your JOB, wasn't it?


You are damn right is was MY JOB.


So it is irrelevant to what *amateurs* do.

That was the essence of your diatribe against Jeffrey Herman's job.

I was good at enough to be given design responsibility.


Me, too...

All quite legal.


Not for you to operate unless you held the station license.


Go Whouff-Hong yourself, sweetums.


And you call *me* a "pervert"...

I DID have a station license
in the PLMRS (as its called now) in a partnership in a business.


Angrier and angrier you get. Strong is the dark side with you. Consume you it
does....

Don't give us this CRAP about "holding a station license" when you've
stated in the past in here that ham radio is "all about OPERATING."


Where did I say that, Len? Produce the post.

I double dare ya! ;-) ;-)

Is it your guilt over your own bootlegging that causes you to attack
those who followed the law, even as teenagers?


You are really REACHING for some Flame War, aren't you, Rev. Jim?


Not me.
Either you bootlegged before 1949 or you didn't.

Which is it?

Who is this "Rev. Jim" you keep addressing?


Yourself, Stokey. Get off the hard stuff before it does you in...


What ARE you talking about, Len? "Stokey"?

The age thing is yours, Len, not mine. You recommended that FCC not
license anyone under age 14.


Let us know when you've passed the mental age of 14 and we can
discuss things rationally. So far, you aren't close to that.


ah, the old ad hominem by Len when all else fails. So predictable.

Why are you avoiding that simple question?

WHAT "question?"


"Why should there be *any* written test on theory if all a person
wants to do is operate manufactured radios?

"If someone doesn't want to design, build or repair radios, why should
they have to memorize all those symbols, diagrams and formulas?"


Those aren't "questions" except to the loaded, "do you still beat your
wife" sort of "questions."


Not at all. The "do you still beat your wife" question is only "loaded" if the
answers are confined to "yes" and "no".

There's no such restriction on those questions.

They don't have to be "answered" because YOU don't have one single
bit of "authority" to demand answers.


Not demanding. Asking.

You don't like those questions because they demonstrate a *MAJOR* flaw in your
jeremiads against Morse code testing.

Take pride in your work for a living. Reveal at least the area of
"electrical work" you do.


I already have. Electrical engineering. Design work, to be precise. That's all
you need to know. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

If that makes you angry, it's your problem, not mine.

Even that is irrelevant to an amateur radio policy discussion.

Either way, ALL you are is an AMATEUR who tries to pass hisself off as
a great big guru in AMATEURISM.


Is being an amateur somehow bad? Amateurs do things for the love of the thing
alone.

You are not a radio amateur. Nor have you ever been. And that's a fact.

As for "guru", that's all in your imagination. I don't claim to be an "expert"
or "guru" in anything. Not even Morse Code.