"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
...


When a standard must maintained, whether it be a ham license, or a
pilots
license, then a test is required. Otherwise the quality goes down.


only if the maintained standard is directly relavent to the operation of
what is
being spoken of.

Adherence to the rules, paying attention to "gentleman's agreements", and
following all the rules and regulations are not mutually inclusive with
that
of morse code skill.

If THAT was the fact, the overwhelming number of violaters on the 40 and
75m bands (who were legally licensed, with 13 and 20 wmp code testing)
would NOT have done what they did; it sounded like channel 19
cb for many years before hollingsworth helped to clean it up (more proof
that code testing is NOT a "yahoo filter")


CW is a tradition in the ARS.

as is FM, ssb, AM, etc.....

It is a valuble mode of communications.]

as is FM, ssb, AM, etc...

However, it requires a certain amount of dedication and desire to
maintain
your ability to work the mode.

as is FM, ssb, AM, etc...


In otherwords advocating freedom of choice has nothing to do with
getting
a
ham license.

I was saying that in response to the accusation that I was forceing an
idea
on
somebody; I was doing just the opposite... advocating a greater range
of freedom of choice.

People SHOULD NOT be able to force a change on the licensing
authorities, based mainly on being too lazy to try to meet the
standard.

it's a representative republic; the very cornerstone of democracy is that
the people are able to effect change when they feel it necessary for
whatever reason THEY feel. The idea that it's because they're "too lazy
to try to meet the standard" is simply your spin & rhetoric.


Why should those of us that have the dedication have to be forced to
have
our privlidges reduced by those among us that are too lazy to bother to
meet
the standards we did?

I wasn't aware that the NCTA crowd was advocating reducing your frequency
priviledges. Or, is that more spin? As far as I know, you and other
licensees
were going to retain all the priviledges they had before the testing
reform.

By the way, thak you for including the latter part of the comment, PROVING
I was right... that it all boils down to nothing MORE than "I did it, so
waaaaa
waaaa waaaaa, everybody should have to be forced to do it!!!!!"


Should be rejoice at this? I don't think so.

if it were true, no. But it's not. Your priviledges will not change; you
will be able
to transmit on all the frequencies that you could before the reform.



We know that is what you SAY. The reality of the situation is based on
the
simple knowledge that human beings will take the easy way. Once CW
testing
is elliminated, CW use will eventually dissapear. Folks simply will
not
bother to learn it.

OH! so you admit the OTHER half of the AWEFUL truth! it comes down to
you want to FORCE people to do something they don't want to do necessarily
of thier own free will! well, the thing that made america so powerful,
such
that
in 200 years +, we have surpassed nations in economic power that have been
on the planet for THOUSANDS of years, was that the free market forces were
allowed to decide what course the market would take... and low and behold,
the united states economic output is one third that of the total of the
ENTIRE
world..... that is, a nation with only 4.5% of the population has an
economic
value of 33% (about 11 trillion out of 34 trillion dollars) that of ALL
nations
combined....

...if people worked morse code ONLY because they were forced to, then
I doubt they would use it at all... that is to say, these same people
would
only pass the code test and then not use CW if they really didn't have
thier
hearts into it. If that was the ONLY thing keeping CW alive, it would
have died a long time ago. But the bands are full of CW operators that
are using it of thier own free will.

If the free market determines that it no longer wants it, than keeping it
around is tantamount to nothing more than subsidizing a mode of
communications. You will certainly NOT make any more fans or
lovers of the code by MAKING them do it.


I honestly don't think that 5 words per minute is asking too much to
gain
access to a large part of the spectrum. I can see your bitch about 20
and
maybe even 13. But for GAWDS sake....5wpm....ANYONE can do that.
Especially with the multiple guess test. Give it a rest. Pay your
dues.
Even if it is only half price...or less.

nah, better to work toward removing it, which is inevitable eventually.

Clint
KB5ZHT



Good points Clint. But your last sentence shoots it all to hotel.
Basically you just admitted your too lazy to meet the standards. Whatever.

This arguement has and probably will, go on and on and on.

And there is a movement to remove the CW segements from the HF allocations.
There has been a discussion right here and I believe one or was it two ??,
comments I read to the FCC.

So there is a group out there that is really starting to **** the real hams
off. Bet that ticked you off, didn't it ?

Have a nice day.

Dan/W4NTI