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October 2nd 03, 09:05 PM

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

In article . net, "Dwight
Stewart" writes:

"N2EY" wrote:

I disagree!

Apply that logic to some other skill or knowledge. For example,
the Smith Chart. (snip)

Or how about Ohm's Law? The phonetic alphabet? Typing skills?

Those are all skills or knowledge that can be used by every ham radio
operator.

How can a blind amateur use the Smith Chart?

Why are you so focussed on a common graphical tool used by RF
PROFESSIONALS?

A Smith Chart is no damn good if you don't understand complex
number quantities.

Oh, I get it. The US amateur test regulations should all be about
satisfying the "disabled." Understand.

How can an amateur who cannot speak use the phonetic alphabet?

Q: How can an amateur who cannot think talk about radio regulations?

A: Go into this newsgroup and blather about the importance of code!

:-)

All else being equal, having a skill related to amateur radio means the person
with the skill is more experienced than someone who doesn't. (Note that "all
else being equal" thing).

"All else being equal" does not apply. That is pre-loading your
supposition.

Sorry Dwight, you're simply off base on this one. I cannot see
how you can deny that having Morse code skills makes a ham
more experienced and more qualified - all else being equal.

More experienced and more qualified in what, Jim?

In amateur radio communications.

Ah, you think amateur radio is ALL about morsemanship!

Morse Code only, not as a ham operator.

No, as a ham operator. Morse Code is a big part of amateur radio. (So are many
other things which do not have their own, standalone test for a license).

Morse code is NOT the biggest part of amateur radio.

With the Technician license, the FCC has already established
that Morse Code is not a qualification needed to be a ham radio operator.

More precisely, they have said that a Morse Code *test* is not absolutely
necessary in order to be granted a license.

Yes they did, 13 years ago and again 5 years ago.

The FCC is the ONLY agency which grants US amateur radio
licenses. The "amateur community" doesn't grant them.

But I'm not talking about the *test*, but about relative levels of experience
and qualification.

...which you have absolutely pre-loaded to favor your own personal
desires and abilities. Not valid for establishing regulations that
apply to ALL Americans.

By that logic, nothing that isn't on the Technician written test can be used
to
determine who is "more experienced" or "more qualified" as a ham radio
operator. Faulty logic.

It's only "faulty logic" to morsemen.

For example, the Tech test does not require that an amateur actually operate
an
amateur radio station at all.

Neither does the General or Amateur Extra, nor did the Novice or Advanced
classes. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

So, by the logic you use against the Morse Code
experience/qualification thing, an amateur who has spent many years operating
a
wide variety of modes, bands, and on-air activities (public service, contests,
rag chews, satellites, etc., ) cannot be said to be "more experienced" or
"more
qualified" as a ham radio operator, because the Tech test doesn't require any
actual operating.

Yes, yes, yes, mighty macho morseman...you are the "most experienced"
of all, especially using satellites to rag-chew on "CW."

We KNOW that you set yourself and morsemanship as the very model of
a modern macho morseman.

The inescapable, logical conclusion that results is this: Having Morse code
skills makes a ham more experienced and more qualified as an amateur radio
operator - all else being equal.

That is inescapably ILLOGICAL. There is NO "all else being equal" situation
in the US amateur radio license test regulations that make it "logical" to
prove any morsemanship ability. That is just your personal viewpoint.

Of course that plain simple fact doesn't prove that there must be a code test
as a condition of granting a license.

The only "plain simple fact" proven was that you are a morseman and are
trying to force all future US radio amateurs to test for morse code
regardless
of its validity in determining licensing to the FCC.

LHA