In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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On cb (this is the short list):

- Operation without a license (when licenses were required)
- Failure to identify

Hey, Jim?

Yo!

(the original "Rocky" was on the other night - great film)

Just a quick question, 'cause I'm going on what goes on around
here. Have you ever heard long-time hams of the elder generation who get on
a club repeater and routinely forget to identify?

Nope.

'round these parts, failure to ID is pretty rare. Sometimes a newbie will
forget, and be very gently reminded in an indirect way (say, by having somebody
mention the call of everyone in the round table).

I've heard entire
conversations take place here, where one or more of the long-time hams
[probably forget] fail to identify--even when they leave the radio.

I've heard that once or twice, maybe - and never from the experienced hams.

- False/misleading identification

Haven't heard much of that on ham radio.

- Power far in excess of legal limit

Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test
equipment I suppose. I could sure guess it one way or the other or, again,
take some hams around here at their word that they "chuckle have a
tendency to overdo it now and then to get that " "rare" " one."

In some ways it's a bit of a mismatched comparison. If a ham runs, say, 6000
watts output (!) it will only make him/her about 6 db (1 S-unit) louder than
the legal limit. But the cber who runs 400 watts out is about 20 dB (almost
3-1/2 S units) over the line.

- Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment

Ditto above.

Hams are not required to use type-accepted/certified equipment. cb users are.

- Operation on unauthorized frequencies

Haven't listened long enough at any time to see how much/often I hear this
on ham radio. Bet it goes on more than we realize, though(?)

Nope. No reason, really.

- Intentional interference

Hear that all the time on VHF and HF. More common on VHF, though.

Must be some real characters down there in TX, Kim. The worst we get up here is
when somebody "doubles" on the repeater - and then, just so they don't feel
bad, everybody keys their rig at once and makes a heterodyne furball. For about
10 seconds.

Not really intentional interference, tho.

- Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity

Hear that all the time. And, I'd classify calling Democrats Nazis as being
vulgar, etc. I hear conversations such as this quite routinely around
here--again from long-time hams on their local "club" machines--I guess
where they figure they have earned the right to be that way.

That's awful. Somebody tried that around here, the machine would go dead. Try
it more than once and they'd find nobody would talk to them.

Can't say I've ever heard anything like that on CW at all. Ever. Worst was
somebody calling somebody a lid for calling the DX on his (the DX's) freq,
after he'd announced he was working split.

- Contacts beyond the legal distance limit
- Contacts beyond the legal time limit

Of course, this would be a moot point--for the most part--on ham radio.

'zactly

And the big one:

- Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed
limit violations)

Well, gotta hang my head again and say that I hear that routinely done
around here on 2M. In fact, you'll hear the proverbial "smokey" reports,
and hear of hams bragging all the time about zooming down the highway ("I'm
trying to catch up with you, dude, and I'm doing 75; how fast *are* you
going?"). Really.

'round here it's tough enough to go the speed limit....

And that all came from where?

Just my two pennies worth of stuff that can go on whether it's CB or not.

Oh sure.

Point is, it was common on cb long before the movies and TV shows came out. It
was not common on ham radio back then - or now, around here anyway.

And, I agree with you on all the comments about TV, etc., although I like
most of the comedy shows on ABC.

I see maybe a few hours of TV a week at most. Usually PBS, rented tapes and
some of the better comedies.

Last week of the summer, was on vacation at a place with cable. 50 odd channels
and usually not a thing worth watching.

Right now the newest Ken Burns documentary is on. First transcontinental auto
trip, done west-to-east, in 1903.

Hiram Percy Maxim was an early auto pioneer, too.


73 de Jim, N2EY