Frank,

Unfortunately, the results are very much of the "it depends" nature. A
good friend in a condo with a similar situation does very well for
short hops with a dipole and remote tuner in the attic, with some
occasional DX thrown in on PSK31. With the "ground" so close, he is
mostly seeing NVIS propagation into adjacent states. However, it is
the only option due to the HOA.

He has one of those XM radios which can be used in the car or house.
The only place it would work in the house was inconveniently near a
window until he cut out a section of the insulation backing directly
above the desired location. Works fine now.


--
Alan
WA4SCA

You won't know until you try. A 20m dipole should be easy enough to
get into any attic, and give it a shot. You might be pleasantly
surprised, and that odds that you'll be terribly disappointed are
pretty small.

Irv VE6BP


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"Irv Finkleman" wrote in message
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You won't know until you try. A 20m dipole should be easy enough to
get into any attic, and give it a shot. You might be pleasantly
surprised, and that odds that you'll be terribly disappointed are
pretty small.

Irv VE6BP

I've used lots of Dipoles in weird places and have gotten contacts. In low
sunspot its not much
but your still communicating. I used an Inverted L next to a apt building
from my 2nd floor apartment
and worked the world (High Sunspot time) . Remember, beams were not
really in big use until the 40s.
Even then it took a while for it to catch on.


Scotty W7PSK.

In almost fifty years of hamming I never had an antenna
that was anywhere near ideal. For many years I couldn't measure let alone
spell SWR! I tied the wire onto the output of the pi-network and
never considered antenna tuners. I thought the cold water pipe was great and all
I needed. My antennas were too high, too low, or tilted the
wrong way. Most were bent around corners, and resembled
the fractal. Propagation let me think that if I got the signal into
the air it would bounce around till I made a contact. If I heard
someone I could usually work them. The RF burns were thrilling, and
told me that I had output! I fired my arrows into
the air and never ceased having fun. Ignorance was bliss. If
I'd known much about antenna theory I'd still be working on the plans
instead of on the air!

Irv VE6BP


"R. Scott" wrote:

"Irv Finkleman" wrote in message
...
You won't know until you try. A 20m dipole should be easy enough to
get into any attic, and give it a shot. You might be pleasantly
surprised, and that odds that you'll be terribly disappointed are
pretty small.

Irv VE6BP

I've used lots of Dipoles in weird places and have gotten contacts. In low
sunspot its not much
but your still communicating. I used an Inverted L next to a apt building
from my 2nd floor apartment
and worked the world (High Sunspot time) . Remember, beams were not
really in big use until the 40s.
Even then it took a while for it to catch on.

Scotty W7PSK.

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Irv Finkleman wrote:
In almost fifty years of hamming I never had an antenna
that was anywhere near ideal.

If my first 40m dipole wasn't ideal, I didn't know it. :-)
That was the best antenna, ever.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Irv Finkleman wrote:
In almost fifty years of hamming I never had an antenna
that was anywhere near ideal. For many years I couldn't measure let alone
spell SWR! I tied the wire onto the output of the pi-network and
never considered antenna tuners. I thought the cold water pipe was great and all
I needed. My antennas were too high, too low, or tilted the
wrong way. Most were bent around corners, and resembled
the fractal. Propagation let me think that if I got the signal into
the air it would bounce around till I made a contact. If I heard
someone I could usually work them. The RF burns were thrilling, and
told me that I had output! I fired my arrows into
the air and never ceased having fun. Ignorance was bliss. If
I'd known much about antenna theory I'd still be working on the plans
instead of on the air!

Irv VE6BP

I guess the intended lesson here is that only by staying ignorant of
antenna theory will you ever be able to actually build an antenna and
communicate with someone.

Sorry to hear it.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

No Roy -- The intended lesson is that you don't have to
wait until you can learn enough theory to understand the antenna
before you stick a wire into the air. Get on the air first -- then
start learning. Why sit there with a ticket to play, but be
afraid because you don't know all the rules of the game yet.

Irv VE6BP

Roy Lewallen wrote:

Irv Finkleman wrote:
In almost fifty years of hamming I never had an antenna
that was anywhere near ideal. For many years I couldn't measure let alone
spell SWR! I tied the wire onto the output of the pi-network and
never considered antenna tuners. I thought the cold water pipe was great and all
I needed. My antennas were too high, too low, or tilted the
wrong way. Most were bent around corners, and resembled
the fractal. Propagation let me think that if I got the signal into
the air it would bounce around till I made a contact. If I heard
someone I could usually work them. The RF burns were thrilling, and
told me that I had output! I fired my arrows into
the air and never ceased having fun. Ignorance was bliss. If
I'd known much about antenna theory I'd still be working on the plans
instead of on the air!

Irv VE6BP

I guess the intended lesson here is that only by staying ignorant of
antenna theory will you ever be able to actually build an antenna and
communicate with someone.

Sorry to hear it.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Irv Finkleman wrote:
No Roy -- The intended lesson is that you don't have to
wait until you can learn enough theory to understand the antenna
before you stick a wire into the air. Get on the air first -- then
start learning. Why sit there with a ticket to play, but be
afraid because you don't know all the rules of the game yet.

Irv VE6BP


With that I agree completely and emphatically!

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Irv Finkleman wrote:
In almost fifty years of hamming I never had an antenna
that was anywhere near ideal. For many years I couldn't measure let alone
spell SWR! I tied the wire onto the output of the pi-network and
never considered antenna tuners. I thought the cold water pipe was great and all
I needed. My antennas were too high, too low, or tilted the
wrong way. Most were bent around corners, and resembled
the fractal. Propagation let me think that if I got the signal into
the air it would bounce around till I made a contact. If I heard
someone I could usually work them. The RF burns were thrilling, and
told me that I had output! I fired my arrows into
the air and never ceased having fun. Ignorance was bliss. If
I'd known much about antenna theory I'd still be working on the plans
instead of on the air!

Irv VE6BP

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