"Cecil Moore" wrote


Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't
read the R&O.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com


No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written.

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
wrote


sorry they may well have lost spectrum wher they can data i have n't
looked at the details but the rules concerning CW use have not changed


No, the rules concerning CW use have not changed. Those rules have never
allowed a General to transmit CW (or anything else) in frequencies reserved for
Extra and Advanced. In the case we're discussing the 150kHz from 3600 to 3750
have now been reserved for Extra and Advanced, and are now off limits to General
who previously could transmit CW/rtty/data in that segment.
hmm they lost acutals hz did they? is that what you are tlaking around
or did things just get shuffed around same number hz justchanging the
mode avalable

in the later I say where the beef if they lose acutaul hz for any use
(total number for all modes then I have to wonder

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote
Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't
read the R&O.

No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written.

I thought there was an unwritten law that no new
rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you
sure the FCC actually did that?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote


I thought there was an unwritten law that no new
rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you
sure the FCC actually did that?


If it wasn't the FCC it was someone who very much looks like them. Full R&O is
at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc or you can
get a short version at http://www.arrl.org

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
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"Iitoi" wrote in
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80M and 40M phone band expansion

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc


I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the
ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little
they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to
the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling
point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on
the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band.

SC


Here's a reality check.

On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to
3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE
phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think.

On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in
Region
3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use
phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the
change).

US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am
on
record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's
hard
to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is
doing.

At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to
7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for
those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't
even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will
be
late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag
on a while longer. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on
frequencies that were off limits to the DX?

On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other
countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15
(as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or
20).

73 de Alun, N3KIP

(20wpm Extra, 100% phone op)


Keep in mind that the US has more hams than the entire rest of the world
combined if you don't include Japan in that count. So there is the
potential for problems if our voice allocations go too low. Our regulations
need to take that into account. As far as 40m goes, it will be a better
solution if they can move the broadcasters out and make it a worldwide ham
allocation up to 7.300. If the rest of the world could go to 7.3, that
would open up a tremendous amount of space for other countries.

Dee, N8UZE

KØHB wrote:
wrote


funny I thought they could still CW everywhere in band



That' may be true in theory, but not in practice. You can't use CW on
frequencies which your license class prohibits. Generals just lost 150kHz of
prime CW/rtty/data spectrum from 3.6 to 3.75MHz, the other parts of the band
their license class doesn't allow. So much for "CW everywhere in band".

73, de Hans, K0HB



The comment is that you can use CW anywhere within the allowable
frequencies for you class of license.

Dave WD9BDZ

KØHB wrote:
Full R&O is
at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc or you can
get a short version at http://www.arrl.org

I personally would like to see all amateur frequencies
open to CW operation by any and all classes of licenses.
Want an incentive? There it is.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:01:44 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

KØHB wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote
Hans, has CW been barred from parts of 75m? I haven't
read the R&O.

No, but Generals will be evicted from 3600-3750 if the R&O stands as written.

I thought there was an unwritten law that no new
rule would cause any loss of privileges. Are you
sure the FCC actually did that?

Can you say, "Eleven meters" or "Incentive Licensing?"

Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103
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"Iitoi" wrote in
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80M and 40M phone band expansion

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc


I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the
ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little
they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to
the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling
point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on
the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band.

SC


Here's a reality check.

On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to
3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE
phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think.

On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region
3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use
phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the
change).

US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on
record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard
to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is
doing.

At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to
7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for
those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't
even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be
late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag
on a while longer.

Alun you've been dumping this old whine into the groups for years now
and it's long since worn out. Not that it needs to be explained to you
*again* but the FCC is *protecting* the dx from the hordes of Yanks who
would obliterate the dx if we were allowed to run SSB below 7100.

Dee also explaned it in her immediately preceeding post, read it, give
us a break and internalize it this time then go find something new to
grouse about for the next five years. Maybe by then your chums in the
UK will be able to transceive with you above 7125.

How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on
frequencies that were off limits to the DX?

The difference is all about one SSB signal taking up the same amout of
spectrum space as 5-10 CW signals.

On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other
countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15
(as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20).

73 de Alun, N3KIP

(20wpm Extra, 100% phone op)

There's your real problem.

w3rv

wrote:
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Slow Code wrote in news:6tgXg.8071$Y24.103
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:

"Iitoi" wrote in
ink.net:

80M and 40M phone band expansion

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc


I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the
ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little
they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to
the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling
point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on
the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band.

SC


Here's a reality check.

On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to
3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE
phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think.

On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region
3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use
phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the
change).

US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on
record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard
to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is
doing.

At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to
7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for
those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't
even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be
late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag
on a while longer.

Alun you've been dumping this old whine into the groups for years now
and it's long since worn out. Not that it needs to be explained to you
*again* but the FCC is *protecting* the dx from the hordes of Yanks who
would obliterate the dx if we were allowed to run SSB below 7100.

the FCC does not care about protecting DX forgien or domestic the ARRL
may well have when they sugested this sort of arngementmany years (part
of incentive licening I supose)