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Old October 22nd 06, 12:40 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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jawod wrote:

You know, I've always been puzzled by negative refraction. The basis of
positive refraction is that the speed of EMR (say light) decreases
within a given material. In negative refraction, the speed of light
INCREASES?

I guess as long as it is less than the speed of light in a vacuum, no
laws have been broken?


I know very little about optics, but the velocity factor of EM waves in
hollow waveguide is always greater than one, that is, the phase velocity
is always greater than the speed of light. In fact, it increases as the
frequency lowers, approaching infinity at the cutoff frequency.

What prevents it from breaking any laws is that the group velocity,
which is the speed at which any change or information can be sent, is
always less than the speed of light.

I suspect that negative refraction is related to this, but will leave it
to the optics experts to say for sure.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
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Roy,
I haven't reviewed the physics of relativity lately, but I 'believe'
that value of C is specified as the velocity of energy propagation in a
vacuum... SInce that limit is not violated when the wave front is
propagating in a medium with a refractive index greater than vacuum,
i.e. C is slower than in a vacuum, then by O'Connor's Law of
Reciprocity the limit will not be broken if the the wave front is
propagating a medium with a refractive index less than a vacuum, i.e. C
is greater than in a vacuum...

denny / k8do

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