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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:37:55 GMT, Slow Code wrote:
We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC That's Paranoid bull **** `Slow, and you know it! It'll Never happen! CB is CB, (Cheap Band). Kids and Red Neck's can afford one, unlike a $400 "Low End" HAM rig. It's not that retaining CW will keep HAM "Clean & Safe". Just the contrary. Fanatics like you will suffocate it. Or is it that because you had to learn it, "EVERYBODY" has to learn it now? Simply another pointless "We Say So" corporate action? |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
Joe Bloe wrote in :
On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:37:55 GMT, Slow Code wrote: We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC And we should insist they learn Swahili, Tasmanian, and in all honesty, speak in binary proficiently. . . Well, one has to learn how to beat upon a railroad track with a rock for CODE, might as well take in the more simple aspects as well, huh? My computer does CODE better and faster than you can `Slow. . . So, what does that make you then? A Slacker or just a stupid agitator? There is NO NEED for anybody to learn CODE. Not unless they WANT to. What the hell does CODE have to do with SSTV? Or Packet? OR Phone? There, I gave you THREE aspects of communications via "HAM" that harbors Absolutely NO use of LEARNING CODE in any way, form, or shape. Can you truefuly offer me as many NEEDFULL aspects of HAM Radio which demands the use of Code? Absolutely NOT! In that regard, your very "hobby" denounces Your insistence upon CODE, as a requirement, as arcade and dusty as a dead rat's fart. We are NOT living in the 1920's any more `Slow. . . It DOESN"T MATTER ANY MORE if People can beat on a railroad track with a rock or not. NO ONE HAD THE **** WE HAVE TODAY, THEN! Hells bells `Slow, I said it before and I'll state it again. The Damn CELL PHONE is Cheaper and BETTER at communication than any silly HAM station in the world! And it doesn't take no bloody HAM license to use it, ether. Just a simple bank account.. . No wait. . Not even that in some cases. Just a wad of dollars in your grubby little fist will suffice, and there's No waiting on Sun Spots ether! Honestly Slow, its people like you who make me want to sell my radio station for a 1911 colt. . . They don't do CODE ether, but its damn good with Binary! I know you're right, Requiring good operators will kill the service. Hams just want to be appliance operators these days and they don't want license exams that will interfere with them getting to those appliances even though it means being less skilled. I don't see anyone modernizing like everyone says is happening. They just get their licenses and grab a microphone. What percentage of hams have a computer connected to a radio? Probably less than 30%. Hams don't want to modernize. Guess we just have live with inferior operators on the bands from here on out. Then again, maybe hams shouldn't be required to be knowledgable or have skills. Requiring skills and knowledge is too old skool. Everything must be outcome based these days, even licensing. It ain't like we have to help out in emergencies or anything. It's Quantity, not quality. We need more hams even if they aren't skilled. SC |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
"Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC It doesn't take a damn bit of knowlege of electronics, radio, propagation or regulations to learn cw. So how is cw gonna prevent the dumbing down of ham radio. Why are you not stressing a need for better testing for technical competentcy to prevent the dumbing down? There are a lot of engineers, technicians and hobbyists who allready know electronics who might be interested amateur radio, but don't have time or interest to fool around learning code. Once licenced some, maybe many, of these people would develope an interest in cw. |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
"JOHN D" wrote in message
news:4exbh.8880$Kw2.30@trndny05... "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC It doesn't take a damn bit of knowlege of electronics, radio, propagation or regulations to learn cw. So how is cw gonna prevent the dumbing down of ham radio. Why are you not stressing a need for better testing for technical competentcy to prevent the dumbing down? There are a lot of engineers, technicians and hobbyists who allready know electronics who might be interested amateur radio, but don't have time or interest to fool around learning code. Once licenced some, maybe many, of these people would develope an interest in cw. I personally know of very good 2 way radio techs - one who won't go for a ham license because of the code - the other has acquired his NO-Code Tech, but won't go any higher because he "doesn't" want to fool with the code. So, Code "may" be keeping out some otherwise good operators. CW alone - isn't "dumbing" down - ham. It's the "STUPID MANUALS". With them, you don't "need" electronics, just the ability to learn a few "one liner" answers. Almost amounts to a mouse in a maze smelling cheese to direct it. PUT SOME TEETH back into the "THEORY". Some of the bozos I've met - can't tell the difference from a fuse and a resistor. That is pathetic. If you "choose" "just" to BS - CB is the way - and it too "can" be a good hobby, if you don't have to contend with a lot of the same CRAP - of everyone splattering, constantly saying Audio, keying up just to **** people off, and so on. IF you choose to "LEARN" - Ham "can" be the way. But then again, even at this point, I know some CBers who know more than many No Coders - or even Extras for that matter. There "are" some "serious" CBers out there who "get into" their equipment - knowledge wise. They have a "desire" to learn. There again, they won't go ham BECAUSE of the code. It is a two sided coin - but regardless - both CB AND HAM - have a lot of "nice" folks and a lot of idiots - who - "could" be better operators if they tried. These Ham tests - do "not" test the "psychological" make up of people. Code is ok - but it's not the salvation of the world - and certainly not the Ham hobby. Still again - SC has "YET" to show proof of a license to back up his claims. People need to "ignore" him and move on. |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
Slow Code: We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. ------------ REPLY FOLLOWS ------------ People have only so much time and energy to spend on ham radio or anything else. Spending hours on CW is truly dumb when they could be spent on aspects of the hobby that are really important. Bill, W6WRT |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will soundlike.
Bill Turner wrote:
People have only so much time and energy to spend on ham radio or anything else. Spending hours on CW is truly dumb when they could be spent on aspects of the hobby that are really important. Knowing how to operate and apply EZNEC is a magnitude more useful to me than Morse Code. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
"Radiosrfun" wrote in
: "JOHN D" wrote in message news:4exbh.8880$Kw2.30@trndny05... "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC It doesn't take a damn bit of knowlege of electronics, radio, propagation or regulations to learn cw. So how is cw gonna prevent the dumbing down of ham radio. Why are you not stressing a need for better testing for technical competentcy to prevent the dumbing down? There are a lot of engineers, technicians and hobbyists who allready know electronics who might be interested amateur radio, but don't have time or interest to fool around learning code. Once licenced some, maybe many, of these people would develope an interest in cw. I personally know of very good 2 way radio techs - one who won't go for a ham license because of the code - the other has acquired his NO-Code Tech, but won't go any higher because he "doesn't" want to fool with the code. So, Code "may" be keeping out some otherwise good operators. CW alone - isn't "dumbing" down - ham. It's the "STUPID MANUALS". With them, you don't "need" electronics, just the ability to learn a few "one liner" answers. Almost amounts to a mouse in a maze smelling cheese to direct it. PUT SOME TEETH back into the "THEORY". Some of the bozos I've met - can't tell the difference from a fuse and a resistor. That is pathetic. If you "choose" "just" to BS - CB is the way - and it too "can" be a good hobby, if you don't have to contend with a lot of the same CRAP - of everyone splattering, constantly saying Audio, keying up just to **** people off, and so on. IF you choose to "LEARN" - Ham "can" be the way. But then again, even at this point, I know some CBers who know more than many No Coders - or even Extras for that matter. There "are" some "serious" CBers out there who "get into" their equipment - knowledge wise. They have a "desire" to learn. There again, they won't go ham BECAUSE of the code. It is a two sided coin - but regardless - both CB AND HAM - have a lot of "nice" folks and a lot of idiots - who - "could" be better operators if they tried. These Ham tests - do "not" test the "psychological" make up of people. Code is ok - but it's not the salvation of the world - and certainly not the Ham hobby. Still again - SC has "YET" to show proof of a license to back up his claims. People need to "ignore" him and move on. Tnx, 73, Good luck on the code test. SC |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
"Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC Ham radio was dumb enough to let you in. Can't get any dumber. |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
"tools" wrote in :
"Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC Ham radio was dumb enough to let you in. Can't get any dumber. Ever hear a no-code on the repeater that you'd just like to take a cattle prod to? SC |
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Just listen to CB if you want to know what ham radio will sound like.
"Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... "tools" wrote in : "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... We need to keep the CW requirement and increase it. We shouldn't let ham radio get dumbed down again. SC Ham radio was dumb enough to let you in. Can't get any dumber. Ever hear a no-code on the repeater that you'd just like to take a cattle prod to? SC No |
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