art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR

Tom Ring wrote:
art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR
See Tom you had nothing of value to say about antennas or the question
at hand
I think you would be better conversing with members of this group who
are intent on disruption and stop questions on antennas. What goes
around comes around so I will not answer in kind. If you want to stick
with the idea that a yagi is the next thing to sliced bread then be my
guest Better still study up on the code so you can join friends.

art wrote:

Tom Ring wrote:

art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR

See Tom you had nothing of value to say about antennas or the question
at hand
I think you would be better conversing with members of this group who
are intent on disruption and stop questions on antennas. What goes
around comes around so I will not answer in kind. If you want to stick
with the idea that a yagi is the next thing to sliced bread then be my
guest Better still study up on the code so you can join friends.


Actually Art, you never listen to reasonable arguments, so I didn't
offer one.

tom
K0TAR

art wrote:

Tom Ring wrote:

art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR

See Tom you had nothing of value to say about antennas or the question
at hand
I think you would be better conversing with members of this group who
are intent on disruption and stop questions on antennas. What goes
around comes around so I will not answer in kind. If you want to stick
with the idea that a yagi is the next thing to sliced bread then be my
guest Better still study up on the code so you can join friends.


And to continue the theme -

Actually Art, yagis are usually better than 95% efficient.

tom
K0TAR

Could be, seems reasonable but some want to view the yagi as the cats
wiskers
and totally efficient which it cannot be despite all the trash talk
from so called experts

Tom Ring wrote:
art wrote:

Tom Ring wrote:

art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR

See Tom you had nothing of value to say about antennas or the question
at hand
I think you would be better conversing with members of this group who
are intent on disruption and stop questions on antennas. What goes
around comes around so I will not answer in kind. If you want to stick
with the idea that a yagi is the next thing to sliced bread then be my
guest Better still study up on the code so you can join friends.


And to continue the theme -

Actually Art, yagis are usually better than 95% efficient.

tom
K0TAR

Could be, seems reasonable but some want to view the yagi as the cats
wiskers
and totally efficient which it cannot be despite all the trash talk
from so called experts

Tom Ring wrote:
art wrote:

Tom Ring wrote:

art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR

See Tom you had nothing of value to say about antennas or the question
at hand
I think you would be better conversing with members of this group who
are intent on disruption and stop questions on antennas. What goes
around comes around so I will not answer in kind. If you want to stick
with the idea that a yagi is the next thing to sliced bread then be my
guest Better still study up on the code so you can join friends.


And to continue the theme -

Actually Art, yagis are usually better than 95% efficient.

tom
K0TAR

Not a reasonable answer, could be speculation like some of the comments
I get from experts. The yagi is not totally efficient in changing the
time changing field to a radiative field
because it has detuned elements contrary to what Roy states that a
reflector aids the forward lobe.......that is trash talk but many of
the so called experts are following like lemmons


Tom Ring wrote:
art wrote:

Tom Ring wrote:

art wrote:
snip

There again maybe it is best that you be honest and say
you don't understand! Better that than join those who have
nothing to say about antennas!


Actually Art, you are already the master of misunderstanding.

tom
K0TAR

See Tom you had nothing of value to say about antennas or the question
at hand
I think you would be better conversing with members of this group who
are intent on disruption and stop questions on antennas. What goes
around comes around so I will not answer in kind. If you want to stick
with the idea that a yagi is the next thing to sliced bread then be my
guest Better still study up on the code so you can join friends.


And to continue the theme -

Actually Art, yagis are usually better than 95% efficient.

tom
K0TAR

art wrote:

Not a reasonable answer, could be speculation like some of the comments
I get from experts. The yagi is not totally efficient in changing the
time changing field to a radiative field
because it has detuned elements contrary to what Roy states that a
reflector aids the forward lobe.......that is trash talk but many of
the so called experts are following like lemmons


So why is it then, that Roy and several dozen others here have made good
livings, written respected books, and designed antenna systems that
defined how good it can get? And all you have done is call them names?

Sounds like the "so called experts" are a lot effing smarter than you.

All you have done is throw stones, which is what you accuse all of us
of, by the way. And you haven't given a microgram of proof that what
you believe is true.

tom
K0TAR

Tom Ring wrote:
art wrote:

Not a reasonable answer, could be speculation like some of the comments
I get from experts. The yagi is not totally efficient in changing the
time changing field to a radiative field
because it has detuned elements contrary to what Roy states that a
reflector aids the forward lobe.......that is trash talk but many of
the so called experts are following like lemmons


So why is it then, that Roy and several dozen others here have made good
livings, written respected books, and designed antenna systems that
defined how good it can get? And all you have done is call them names?
When I don't agree with them they call me names It is always them or
their followers and I eventually retaliate with a vengance and I think
I can do it better than them.
They are of a group that everything is known about antennas and is
written in books. If you refer to something that is not in the books
then they attack where I wish they would take a bit of time trying to
understand what I am getting at so I can make use of their superior
knowledge outside of yagis but yagis dominate their whole life to the
exclusion of anything else so we are at an impasse. Tough but it is of
their choice where I have offered my hand many times only to be
rejected.
Art







Sounds like the "so called experts" are a lot effing smarter than you.

All you have done is throw stones, which is what you accuse all of us
of, by the way. And you haven't given a microgram of proof that what
you believe is true.

tom
K0TAR

art wrote:
Tom Ring wrote:
art wrote:
They are of a group that everything is known about antennas and is
written in books. If you refer to something that is not in the books


Art:

If you refer to something that is "not in the books" one should take
great care. Why I do think evidence can be brought out and can be
demonstrated that some of the ways we "think" antennas are working is
not real, however, great men have developed thinking models and formulas
which are able to let us design and use WORKING antennas which are
PRACTICAL. I site that mysterious 377 ohms as an example, or for
another, incorporating the spin rate of the earth into antenna formulas
(time), ridiculous (but useful!) But, those "old books" contain methods
and means to develop antennas which do work and which do work well, we
owe much to those who have gone before us ...

I am only hoping that by refusing to allow "magic numbers" to be
embedded into equations without any suitable explanation of what those
numbers are "REALLY ABOUT" will one day awake the man who can form the
vision and see what the others have all been unable to, Tesla seemed to
have had an excellent ability which I hold as example of the type of
"vision seer" I mean.

I have an open mind, I guess you are as likely as the next guy to "be
the one!" Never hurts to try anyway ...

However, thank God practical antennas work and we have the tools to
design and build them.

Regards,
JS