"art" wrote in message
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Interesting Jimmy
Could you show me how me how a vector directed at a socalled reflector
behaves with respect to a constant plane without the implication of a
neutralising effect.
Now the reflector "works" only as a part of a particular plane so
please go on from there.
I often read of additive and subtractive radiation in books written by
the masters and I have seemed to have got the wrong idea about these
matters
Art

Then give a reference to what you are talking about if you are so familar
with the "masters".


Jimmie D wrote:
"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
From a theoretical way of getting at the answer it seems
a logical way of proceding. So now to the rest of the task.1 how do we
determine volumes that you talk about that are a result of deflection 2
How do we determine
radiation that was cancelled or neutralised and 3 How do you determine
the radiation volume created by ground reflection so we can work back
to search for ground losses. That last one really bothers me as I have
never got a good handle on the contribution of ground reflection to any
particular part of the radiation envelope.

Art



Denny wrote:
For those who wish to actually learn and not just insult each other,
get a calculator, learn how to calculate Cosine Theta a trivial math
problem that any 9th grader can be taught in 5 minutes flat, get a
BIG
piece of paper reason to come, and actually calculate the shape and
vector length of the lobes of a two element Yagi-Uda antenna... Do
the
calculation in both the horizonal and vertical planes... From that you
can calculate the volume of each lobe, which is proportional to the
percentage of power in each lobe... From that number you can very
simply calculate what percentage went into the lobes you prefer and
what went in the lobes you don't prefer...

Now, the reason for the BIG piece of paper... The antenna patterns you
see on the screen with EZNEC, or in the antenna handbooks, are
logarithmic, not linear and there are flavors to them, ARRL, linear
logarithmic, modified logarithmic... So, the patterns are
distorted... Why is that? Because if they were linear and the front
lobe and the rear lobe are to the same scale the front lobe will take
up the entire length of the screen/paper and the rear lobe will need a
magnifying glass to be seen... A rear lobe that is 20dB down from the
front lobe is down by the power ratio of 100... So, if your forward
lobe calculates out to be 10 inches long, the rear lobe will be be
1/10
of an inch.... I'll let you figure out the size of a lobe that is
30dB
down (get out your microscope)

For those who want to review do a search on Joseph Reisert, who has
published numerous writings on antennas and patterns... There many
are
others also, but Joe is published on the web, and very readable...

cheers ... denny / k8do

The radiation IS NOT cancelled or Neutralized. You need to learn more
about
what is going on with an antenna. I suggest you do some serious reading,
actually reading with an open mind and not reading trying to find little
phrases that seem to you to prove your beliefs. It should be fairly
obvious
that if an antenna worked by neutralization or cancelation that it would
take more energy to cancel out radiation in the undesired direction of a
yagi than is available in the desired direction. Therefore a Yagi or any
other antenna does not work by cancellation.

I gues I could express this a lot better but its late and whats the use.