O.K. while the wife is cooking dinner I can at least start on a preable
Most of the masters who contribute to different disiplines were
mathematicians
who also were observant as tp what was around them and many did not
have formal teaching such as George Green and many others were were not
really discovered till long after death. Why mathematicians, well the
world is formulated around mathematics and you can see it every where
in nature and in the Universe. You can picture these mathematicians
thinking around the universe as being in the same order of a random
bubble on water where the contents of the buble was under partial
pressure and the thought come to mind as to where the meniscus
enclosing the content was going to burst but where.
In Germany more than 100 years ago a child literaly stood out above
other with his mastery of mathematics and thus was given all the
benefits possible so he could expand on his gift.
His name was Gauss and he got involved in mathematics that branched out
into many disiplines without a total investment into any one in
particular but just followed the path of mathematics.
A one set of thinking produced what is known as a Gaussian field in
electrostatics where he visualised a cluster of charges that were in
equilibrium and held inside a miniscus, border or what have you and
came up with what is known as Gausses law.
If you draw a rough circle and randomly insert a few small circles
inside the arbitary boundary we are seeng a cluster of charges as seen
by those small circles. Now for them to be in equilibrium they will
have to be like charges so lets put a + inside each circle to
demonstrate the polarity of the charges. Now we have to ask the
question of where the flux contained within this arbitary boundary is
going to break out and where? Gauss I am sure thought of a buble
knowing that if he placed a pin in the miniscus it would surely burst
so the contents ie flux emminating from the held charges.
Well he didn't go the pin route as he was smarter than that in that he
saw that the true reason the arbitary border burst was because the
socalled meniscus was given a displacement in shape that made it the
weakest point. Getting back to the cluster of charges held within what
I really should not be calling a miniscus he placed a separate charge
in the cluster marked with a - which provided a weak spot in the
arbitary boundary and thus the escaping flux will now escape at a known
point with some sort of velocity.... OOOps dinner is coming, refresh
yourself with Gausses law until I get back but dont get to swamped with
mathematics.

"art" wrote in message
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Art: Do you know what a blithering idiot is??? Well, you're starting to
blither pretty often.

Mike W5CHR
Memphis

Pray tell me what is it in my posting that inflamed you as a self
chosen judge
to pass judgement on me?

Mike Lucas wrote:
"art" wrote in message
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Art: Do you know what a blithering idiot is??? Well, you're starting to
blither pretty often.

Mike W5CHR
Memphis

"art" wrote in message
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Pray tell me what is it in my posting that inflamed you as a self
chosen judge
to pass judgement on me?

Mike Lucas wrote:
"art" wrote in message
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Art: Do you know what a blithering idiot is??? Well, you're starting to
blither pretty often.

Mike W5CHR
Memphis



Hi Art

I sure wouldnt pass judgment on you thru a news group. And I dont think
Mike should be "self appointed". So, if it ever comes to a vote, he's
getting my vote

Jerry.

Jerry, Are you concurring with his judgement that I am a blithering
idiot and he gets your vote? I find it so hard to believe that
engineers need only to read the first page of anything and determine
from that and with their perceived knowledge they can trash a complete
paper. I am trying to state things in an extremely elementary way so
that aspiring hams on the side lines can get an understanding of my
scheme of things with respect to this new antenna array aproach which
differs from that of a yagi and whose benefits I will get to later if I
am allowed to


Jerry Martes wrote:
"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
Pray tell me what is it in my posting that inflamed you as a self
chosen judge
to pass judgement on me?

Mike Lucas wrote:
"art" wrote in message
ps.com...

massive snip

Art: Do you know what a blithering idiot is??? Well, you're starting to
blither pretty often.

Mike W5CHR
Memphis



Hi Art

I sure wouldnt pass judgment on you thru a news group. And I dont think
Mike should be "self appointed". So, if it ever comes to a vote, he's
getting my vote

Jerry.

"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jerry, Are you concurring with his judgement that I am a blithering
idiot and he gets your vote? I find it so hard to believe that
engineers need only to read the first page of anything and determine
from that and with their perceived knowledge they can trash a complete
paper. I am trying to state things in an extremely elementary way so
that aspiring hams on the side lines can get an understanding of my
scheme of things with respect to this new antenna array aproach which
differs from that of a yagi and whose benefits I will get to later if I
am allowed to


Hi Art

Show me some numbers and some data and I'll change my mind. I never said
that you were a blithering idiot. I am not qualified to make a statement
like that about someone I dont know. But, you do write alot of text in
which you apparently dont care about anyone being able to understand.
Blithering idiots do that too.
Please be aware, I really like real technical challenges that dont require
alot of theoretical math type proofs. But, when the challenge is to prove
you wrong (or right) about the "Efficiency" of a Yagi I'd anticipate there
would be some data (measured or calculated) coming from you. I havent seen
the data.

I too find it hard to believe that engineers (in general)need to read only
the first page of a paper in order to understand the entire text. I used to
work with alot of engineers. I really admire their ability to think
analytically. I consider engineers to be smart people , but reading only
one page of a mulitpage document then be sure the entire paper is trash. I
do believe that a perspicacious, experienced engineer has to be able to
perceive if the rest of any paper is worth reading if the first page is
written as though it was authored by a blithering idiot. Otherwise that
engineer could waste alot of valuable time.

I am not an aspiring HAM, but I once was. Now I'm an old, kinda
ignorant, HAM. They are probably quite similar. But, Art, I just have
alot of difficulty trying to understand your posts. Maybe you have a
"paper" that I could study. Tell me where I can read it. I still like to
learn new things.

My advice to you, Art, is Pay close attention to the advice of the
really good engineers that post here on this forum. If you cant identify
them, ask Richard Clark. He's one of them.

O.K. where was I
Ah, we now have in front of us where all the enclosed charges are of a
like sign.
So now visualise that you are looking at a cluster of could be
radiating elements side on and think that each charge that appears on
the surface of the enclosed border eminated somehow from a dipole
behind it
First thing to understand that behind the charge direction sign we have
a dipole which like all the other charges must be in equilibrium with
all the other charges dipoles so the first requirement is to make every
dipole resonant and since they are in cluster form the interacting
coupling effects destroy the equilibrium unless we ensure that all the
dipoles are resonant despite outher forces. To do this we ofcourse have
to adjust the lengths of each dipole such that it is still resonant
despite the positional arrangement we put them in which means the
dipooles will not be of the same length but still reonant in situ to
maiantain equilibrium. Up to now we have beenmanipulating a Gaussion
law that applies to electrostatics, a subset of electro magnetics where
in mathematical terms time must be taken into account so we have to go
back to the Gaussian field and add another tem to the Gaussian law like
" in a small space of time " or something like that. We can do this
because what Gauss found and put into mathematical form is a law not a
theorem in that it blends with laws of nature and the universe as
proven mathematically. So for an instant of time we can place the
clustered elements in a short burst of a time varying field where each
of the enclosed charges have a directional vector added to it in the
form of phase possesion
which is often times referred to as Curl if you come across that term
later. Now for equilibrium all charges must change in unison which they
will do as we made the length of elements resonant in situ. Now looking
at the Gaussian field it can be seen that for a short moment in time
each of the charges/dipole elements have formed directional mean for
the time varying charges but without breaking out from the arbitary
border or having to radiate in any way to another element. So at this
point we have a cluster of elements that have not started the process
of radiating/E.H. field generation and where by virtue of all elements
being of the same "Q' we have avoided the cumbersome job of determining
the intercoupling
forces. At this point we can say we are dealing with lumped constants
and eligable for adaptation by RLC or complex circuitry methods. I
think you will need a bit of time to absorb what I have stated before
we move on to an actual radiating array since there is more work to be
done before I get to that point.See you later


art wrote:
Pray tell me what is it in my posting that inflamed you as a self
chosen judge
to pass judgement on me?

Mike Lucas wrote:
"art" wrote in message
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massive snip

Art: Do you know what a blithering idiot is??? Well, you're starting to
blither pretty often.

Mike W5CHR
Memphis

Art,

You'd get a lot more people who would be able to listen to what you're
saying if you drew a picture and posted it somewhere.

Dan

wrote:
Art,

You'd get a lot more people who would be able to listen to what you're
saying if you drew a picture and posted it somewhere.

Dan


Dan:

I think we have arrived at the quantum/nano level here, you know,
entangled particles, particles which can be in two places at once,
particles which exceed the speed of light, it is a no mans land.
Indeed, it takes guts to just attempt a discussion on the subject ...

We tend to think at large levels, wavelengths traversing long stretches
of conductors, whole capacitor plates, etc. Naturally, even if one is
stating correct facts on a quantum level he is going to called an
idiot--if he attempts to even advance a theory which encompasses the
above, who can resist laughing? None-the-less, it is true, the world of
physics becomes upside down (apparently, with our present
understanding.) Who can tell a "nut" at this level, everyone is going
to look the same here. grin

Regards,
JS

Dan, all of that is in the PTO application which I have held back on
because of all the nasty comments I got from the experts before I lift
a finger. When I last explained a patented idea I has some time ago
stones were coming from all directions from those who thought of me as
a person who thinks outside the box must be looney. When I first
starterd to turn the subject around to this new aproach for radiating
antennas the harping started not only from those without a contribution
but also from experts that are much wiser than I with repect to
radiation. This time whether thru hell or high water I am going to
explain it in the simplest way possible because I know that there are
some hams throwing stones who haven't got the faintest idea about
radiation other than arranging elements in spear shape fashion and
point it where you want. Now I will tell you something, this aproach
works out using a antenna program that is related but not the same as
standard formd i.e. AO professional. A separate individual took my
figures and applied them to the NEC4 program which is more universally
accepted and where it validated my findings. Ofcourse nI could have
used the computor program incorrectly so I dug into the books to find
what I thought constituted a reasonable mathematical sequence to
explain what I found. Ofcourse By doing this I am opening myself to a
lot of name calling because over the years it has been assumed that
everything about antennas was known and the Yaqgi was king. Well I look
at things differently like looking at the cutting room floor to see
what was discarded by the producers even tho they are clips from
experts. I then take hold of these clips to try to get into the minds
of those who produced them and by learning this I apply there work
where the producer didn't. So In a way
I am trying to duplicate the originators mind and take things to the
next step which is sometimes called thinking outside the box since the
text is unwritten and one is not learning by rote....I might aded that
I offered all this to RADCOM of England of which I am a
member..........didn't see the light of day so it can still prove to be
a gastly idea from a blithering idiot
..UMMMM enough said
wrote:
Art,

You'd get a lot more people who would be able to listen to what you're
saying if you drew a picture and posted it somewhere.

Dan