AMATEUR DONATIONS NEEDED
 

Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club (LIMARC), is looking for DONATIONS of
"Ham" gear, like triband beams, rigs, and towers, to be used for our Emergency
Communication Stations, and Field Day.

If you have any old equipment that you're not using anymore, and would like to
donate it to our cause, we will make sure that you get a nice letter, being
that we have 503 c(3) status with the I.R.S. ,for a tax deduction, from our
club.
We really need your help, so please try to assist us in any way that you can.

Thanks in advance

Hello,

Oh yes, pull the other one. If anyone wants to send me a new shack I'll
promise to send a post card. Emergency work should be left to professionals
paid to do the job. They can quite often do without people getting under
their feet and in the way! There is an amateur/CB group in the UK that
causes a bit of annoyance like that, people must just like dressing up as
pretend police men. The public take absolutely no notice, and
amateurs/CBers don't either.

"N2ION" wrote in message
...
Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club (LIMARC), is looking for DONATIONS
of
"Ham" gear, like triband beams, rigs, and towers, to be used for our
Emergency
Communication Stations, and Field Day.

If you have any old equipment that you're not using anymore, and would
like to
donate it to our cause, we will make sure that you get a nice letter,
being
that we have 503 c(3) status with the I.R.S. ,for a tax deduction, from
our
club.
We really need your help, so please try to assist us in any way that you
can.

Thanks in advance

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:37:49 -0000, "Ian" wrote:

Hello,

Oh yes, pull the other one. If anyone wants to send me a new shack I'll
promise to send a post card. Emergency work should be left to professionals
paid to do the job. They can quite often do without people getting under
their feet and in the way! There is an amateur/CB group in the UK that
causes a bit of annoyance like that, people must just like dressing up as
pretend police men. The public take absolutely no notice, and
amateurs/CBers don't either.

"N2ION" wrote in message
...
Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club (LIMARC), is looking for DONATIONS
of
"Ham" gear, like triband beams, rigs, and towers, to be used for our
Emergency
Communication Stations, and Field Day.

If you have any old equipment that you're not using anymore, and would
like to
donate it to our cause, we will make sure that you get a nice letter,
being
that we have 503 c(3) status with the I.R.S. ,for a tax deduction, from
our
club.
We really need your help, so please try to assist us in any way that you
can.

Thanks in advance


The world is a very big place, Ian and not all of it is the UK. Some
of us out here in the real world belong to volunteer groups that have
memoranda of understanding with our served organizations and we
practice and drill with them regularly. This is especially true here
in North America where there are areas that are often hit with
extremely severe weather. Some of us are even those "paid
professionals". In fact, most of the fire protection in the US is
provided by volunteers. Unpaid professionals, as it were. Paid
professional fire departments are usually only found in large cities
and densely populated suburban areas.

My first-year composition professor's advice rings especially true
here - "write what you know".

Russ

Oh yes, pull the other one. If anyone wants to send me a new shack I'll
promise to send a post card. Emergency work should be left to professionals
paid to do the job. They can quite often do without people getting under
their feet and in the way! There is an amateur/CB group in the UK that
causes a bit of annoyance like that, people must just like dressing up as
pretend police men. The public take absolutely no notice, and
amateurs/CBers don't either.

I'm sorry your situation is so poor over there. Believe me, it
doesn't have to be that way. It's possible to train the amateur
operators properly (so they know how to provide useful communications,
and how _not_ to get in the way and make things worse), and set up
official well-understood arrangements by which amateurs can provide
useful-and-sometimes-critical backup communications. This role as
emergency communicators is, in fact, a big part of the legal
justification for amateur radio as written into U.S. law.

In my own city, the amateur emergency-communication group is
affiliated with the city fire department - most of us are sworn in as
volunteers with the FD, and have had background checks run and photo
IDs issued. The ARES/RACES radio shack is in the Police & Fire
administration building, we've got perhaps a half-dozen antennas up on
their towers, the city provides a substantial budget for the purchase
and upkeep of amateur radios and the necessary equipment and antennas,
we have amateur-radio antennas pre-staged on all of the city fire
stations and at the hospitals, and have a good working relationship
with the city emergency services manager. We run drills every
quarter, have training classes once a month, and encourage amateurs to
become involved with their community CERT groups (for which the city
provides free emergency-response training classes). A lot of other
cities do as much, or more.

In an emergency (e.g. earthquake, a big issue around here!) it's very
likely that the number of trained amateur-radio communicators our
group can activate will exceed the total number of police officers and
firemen. We might even double their number - a lot of the public
safety officers live an hour's drive or more outside the city and may
not be able to get to work for _days_ after an earthquake.

I can't say that I particularly care for the monthly "please send us
your equipment" capital-letters boilerplate posting you're responding
to... but the poster's motives and justifications are not as suspect
as you seem to feel, I think.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
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I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

N2ION,
How many members in your club? Any of them contribute
gear? Time? Can you think of a good way to prove to me
that you are ligitimate, not another scam?
'Doc

Oh yes, pull the other one. If anyone wants to send me a new shack I'll
promise to send a post card. Emergency work should be left to
professionals
paid to do the job. They can quite often do without people getting under
their feet and in the way! There is an amateur/CB group in the UK that
causes a bit of annoyance like that, people must just like dressing up as
pretend police men. The public take absolutely no notice, and
amateurs/CBers don't either.

In the US the hams are not doing the actual emergency work. We are used to
provide communications for the services. Without power or the ability of
some services to communicate with others or long range communications , the
'professional services' tend to need help in communicating.

As someone else pointed out , in many areas of the country the volunteers
are all we have for fire protection and emergency medical service and
transportation. I live in a rural area and appreciate the ones that provide
this service. It may or may not be as good as a paid service but it is all
I have .

It's a bit different in the US. Amateur emergency work is well coordinated
with the authorities and is appreciated by them.
"Ian" wrote in message
...
Hello,

Oh yes, pull the other one. If anyone wants to send me a new shack I'll
promise to send a post card. Emergency work should be left to
professionals
paid to do the job. They can quite often do without people getting under
their feet and in the way! There is an amateur/CB group in the UK that
causes a bit of annoyance like that, people must just like dressing up as
pretend police men. The public take absolutely no notice, and
amateurs/CBers don't either.

"N2ION" wrote in message
...
Long Island Mobile Amateur Radio Club (LIMARC), is looking for DONATIONS
of
"Ham" gear, like triband beams, rigs, and towers, to be used for our
Emergency
Communication Stations, and Field Day.

If you have any old equipment that you're not using anymore, and would
like to
donate it to our cause, we will make sure that you get a nice letter,
being
that we have 503 c(3) status with the I.R.S. ,for a tax deduction, from
our
club.
We really need your help, so please try to assist us in any way that you
can.

Thanks in advance

CW wrote:
It's a bit different in the US. Amateur emergency work is well coordinated
with the authorities and is appreciated by them.

Same for ordinary citizens with concealed handgun permits.
The violent crime rate has nose-dived in the USA while
sky-rocketing in Australia, Canada, and the UK.
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Yep. Just renewed mine.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...

Same for ordinary citizens with concealed handgun permits.
The violent crime rate has nose-dived in the USA while
sky-rocketing in Australia, Canada, and the UK.
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http://www.limarc.org/members.htm

'Doc wrote:

N2ION,
How many members in your club? Any of them contribute
gear? Time? Can you think of a good way to prove to me
that you are ligitimate, not another scam?
'Doc

I counted over 400 members. At $5 per head the club
could afford almost any radio on the market. A bake
sale (or the activity of your choice) or two would mean
even more. The bunch of you should be ashamed of your
selves.
'Doc

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:28:33 -0600, 'Doc wrote:



I counted over 400 members. At $5 per head the club
could afford almost any radio on the market. A bake
sale (or the activity of your choice) or two would mean
even more. The bunch of you should be ashamed of your
selves.
'Doc


Doc,
This guy has no shame, every month he spams the newgroups with this thread.
I concur shame on Jeff and the whole bunch of them on Long Island...
Youse guys need to get a life not that many needs for surplus equipment.






Donnie (N4JZH)

''Behold how good and well brethren dwell together in unity''

Cecil Moore wrote:

Same for ordinary citizens with concealed handgun permits.
The violent crime rate has nose-dived in the USA while
sky-rocketing in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

Got data or just rehashing AM talk shows? Somehow I don't recall
anything sky-rocketing in Canada, let alone violent crime, but then
again, I've been away for five years - is anyone still alive there? As
for the US, the crime rate cycle closely follows the economy.


73 ... WA7AA


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Zoran Brlecic wrote:
Got data or just rehashing AM talk shows?

Latest stats reported by "First Freedom" magazine.
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Cecil Moore wrote:

Got data or just rehashing AM talk shows?

Latest stats reported by "First Freedom" magazine.

Care to share? Not that I'm against carrying concealed and blasting the
criminals away, mind you. It's just that these type of claims have
regularly fallen under the urban legend category, i.e. fantasy.


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Cecil Moore wrote:


Same for ordinary citizens with concealed handgun permits.
The violent crime rate has nose-dived in the USA while
sky-rocketing in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

Sorry Cecil, violent crime is the lowest it's been in 15 years according
to surveys by Statistics Canada as well as many demographic studies
conducted by different universities.

Where did you read it was sky-rocketing in Canada?

Bob

Zoran Brlecic wrote:
Care to share? Not that I'm against carrying concealed and blasting the
criminals away, mind you. It's just that these type of claims have
regularly fallen under the urban legend category, i.e. fantasy.

I threw it away after reading. As I remember, crime in the US is
down 35% while crime in the UK is up 35%. Canada and Australia
were also mentioned as having increasing crime rates along with
their increasingly restrictive gun laws.

Even in the US, the highest crime rates are the states that have
the strictest gun laws. If you were a criminal, would you rather
break into a house in New York City or Dallas?

While I was living near Phoenix, "The Phoenix Sun" reported that
an attempted robbery using a knife at a local Circle-K was foiled
by an ordinary customer who was carrying a concealed weapon. "First
Freedom" magazine carries about ten similar reports per month where
the good guys' guns foil the bad guy's violent crimes. But apparently
that is not newsworthy enough for the liberal newspapers.

On another note, the local Madisonville Meteor carried the following
story. "C.G. was arrested for not driving without a license." :-)
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Bob wrote:
Sorry Cecil, violent crime is the lowest it's been in 15 years according
to surveys by Statistics Canada as well as many demographic studies
conducted by different universities.

Is that the system where if a rape victim dies days after a rape,
without regaining consciousness, it is reported as neither a rape
nor a murder?
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Bob wrote,

Cecil Moore wrote:


Same for ordinary citizens with concealed handgun permits.
The violent crime rate has nose-dived in the USA while
sky-rocketing in Australia, Canada, and the UK.

Sorry Cecil, violent crime is the lowest it's been in 15 years according
to surveys by Statistics Canada as well as many demographic studies
conducted by different universities.

Where did you read it was sky-rocketing in Canada?

Bob


Cecil reads all the inflammatory, right wing, gun magazines and
believes them.
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

How about the other 'club' in nyc at the high school,
the gear ends up for auction on ebay. they are a 503(c)charity.

manny

Jana wrote:

http://www.limarc.org/members.htm

'Doc wrote:

N2ION,
How many members in your club? Any of them contribute
gear? Time? Can you think of a good way to prove to me
that you are ligitimate, not another scam?
'Doc

Cecil Moore wrote:

Care to share? Not that I'm against carrying concealed and blasting
the criminals away, mind you. It's just that these type of claims have
regularly fallen under the urban legend category, i.e. fantasy.

I threw it away after reading. As I remember, crime in the US is
down 35% while crime in the UK is up 35%. Canada and Australia
were also mentioned as having increasing crime rates along with
their increasingly restrictive gun laws.

Well, I'd be extremely skeptical about this type of "statistics". For
one, I am sure they were not comparing the same periods, and there are
numerous tricks available for anyone who is attempting to prove anything
with statistical figures. Take, for example, the US 35% reduction in
crime rate. It is more than likely that this figure was achieved by
comparing the crime rate from the peak of a recession to its bottom. The
US crime rate always faithfully follows the economy - employed people
don't have to resort to crime. No connection to the CCW whatsoever. What
about the "increasing crime rate" in the UK or Canada? CCW has never
been legal in these countries to begin with, yet both countries have the
crime rate ten times lower than the US. I bet the mag never raised that
issue.

Even in the US, the highest crime rates are the states that have
the strictest gun laws. If you were a criminal, would you rather
break into a house in New York City or Dallas?

That's not how it works. A criminal in Dallas doesn't wake up one day
and decide to break into a house, following up with a visit to the local
library to do research on where he's less likely to get shot, then
catching a bus to Big Apple. Also, the crime rate - gun law strictness
comparison is a common post hoc fallacy. Is it possible that the
relationship is inverse: because those states have the highest crime
rates, they instituted the strictest gun laws?

While I was living near Phoenix, "The Phoenix Sun" reported that
an attempted robbery using a knife at a local Circle-K was foiled
by an ordinary customer who was carrying a concealed weapon.

It happens. However, this type of testimonial evidence proves little.
I'm not sure that as a neutral bystander I'd like to be in the middle of
a shoot-out between the criminals and armed civilians. Even the police
makes numerous mistakes in these types of situations, and we are to
believe that any Joe Blow is capable of handling a situation where even
the cops call for backup first.

"First Freedom" magazine carries about ten similar reports per month where
the good guys' guns foil the bad guy's violent crimes.

I'm sure they do. If I were the editor of a magazine pandering to the
gun owners, I'd do the same, while completely ignoring the negative
aspects.

But apparently
that is not newsworthy enough for the liberal newspapers.

"Liberal", as usual being defined as anything a person calling himself a
conservative hates in a given moment? A friendly reminder: fat-ass
hypocrite AM talk show drug addicts don't get to define liberalism and
liberals, especially not with their hate propaganda.


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Cecil Moore wrote:

Sorry Cecil, violent crime is the lowest it's been in 15 years
according to surveys by Statistics Canada as well as many demographic
studies conducted by different universities.

Is that the system where if a rape victim dies days after a rape,
without regaining consciousness, it is reported as neither a rape
nor a murder?

No, it isn't. And, btw, red herring.

73 ... WA7AA ex VA3GW

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Zoran wrote,

Cecil Moore wrote:

Sorry Cecil, violent crime is the lowest it's been in 15 years
according to surveys by Statistics Canada as well as many demographic
studies conducted by different universities.

Is that the system where if a rape victim dies days after a rape,
without regaining consciousness, it is reported as neither a rape
nor a murder?

No, it isn't. And, btw, red herring.

73 ... WA7AA ex VA3GW

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The BBC reports that violent crimes reported to the police were up 14% in
the UK last year, but a more accurate survey, the British Crime Report
said violent crime actually dropped 3%. Overall crime in the UK was supposed
to be stable. The old wive's tale that crime rises in proportion to the number
of
restrictive gun laws isn't born out by statistics.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Zoran Brlecic wrote:
No, it isn't. And, btw, red herring.

In one of those anti-gun countries, a crime is not reported as
an official crime until someone is convicted for the crime.
Unsolved crimes still on the books are not reported to the
outside world - bad for business.
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Tdonaly wrote:
The BBC reports that violent crimes reported to the police were up 14% in
the UK last year, but a more accurate survey, the British Crime Report
said violent crime actually dropped 3%.

This is probably because the UK doesn't consider that a crime officially
exists until someone is convicted for the crime. Thus, reported crimes
that remain unsolved don't make it into their "more accurate survey".
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Zoran Brlecic wrote:
"Liberal", as usual being defined as anything a person calling himself a
conservative hates in a given moment?

I'm not a conservative and didn't vote for Bush. I'm a libertarian.
I believe in as much freedom from governmental intervention as is
feasible. Republicans want to limit my social freedoms. Democrats
want to limit my economic freedoms. I'm against both of them.

My offhand comment wasn't designed to turn this thread into an endless
tirade against guns by gun-haters. Guns work well for personal defense
in the hands of trained average citizens. The percentage of concealed
carry permit holders involved in crimes is miniscule compared to the
general population.
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What a great way to reduce crime. Just ignore it.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Zoran Brlecic wrote:
No, it isn't. And, btw, red herring.

In one of those anti-gun countries, a crime is not reported as
an official crime until someone is convicted for the crime.
Unsolved crimes still on the books are not reported to the
outside world - bad for business.
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Guess it only helps with the Tourism !

CW wrote:

What a great way to reduce crime. Just ignore it.

Cecil Moore wrote:

Bob wrote:

Sorry Cecil, violent crime is the lowest it's been in 15 years
according to surveys by Statistics Canada as well as many demographic
studies conducted by different universities.


Is that the system where if a rape victim dies days after a rape,
without regaining consciousness, it is reported as neither a rape
nor a murder?


No sir, it's not. (and I was not trying to be confrontational either, so
lets leave out the tangential speculation/hearsay please.)

So I suppose the original question remains unanswered:

Where did you read/hear crime is Canada is skyrocketing?
(It's a sincere question sir, stats published up here indicate it's been
declining steadily for over a decade. If you're reading current reports
of it being increasing at an alarming rate, where exactly are you
getting that data?)

Thanks,
Bob (yet another non-violent law abiding Canadian :-)

Bob wrote:
So I suppose the original question remains unanswered:
Where did you read/hear crime is Canada is skyrocketing?

For the nth time, I read it in the latest "First Freedom"
magazine. Please stop asking questions that I have already
answered multiple times and let's get back to antennas.
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Bob wrote:
Where did you read/hear crime is Canada is skyrocketing?

Canadians Resisting Tough New Gun Law
By Colin Nickerson, The Boston Globe,
Published Wednesday, January 10, 2001, in the Miami Herald

"But even the (Canadian) federal government concedes that a minimum
of 400,000 of the country's estimated 2.2 million gun owners have
refused to comply -- a shocking figure in a society where respect
for the law is second nature. And the real tally of noncompliers
may be much higher: Gun groups count six million privately owned
rifles and shotguns in Canada, meaning that millions of citizens
may be defying the law."

If millions of citizens choosing to become criminals is not
a skyrocketing crime rate, I don't know what is.
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They are breaking the law, yes but I see a bit of distinction here between
these people and common criminals. The criminal actively commits an illegal
act. These people retaining their firearms did not commit any act. They were
declared criminals without any action of their own.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Bob wrote:
Where did you read/hear crime is Canada is skyrocketing?

Canadians Resisting Tough New Gun Law
By Colin Nickerson, The Boston Globe,
Published Wednesday, January 10, 2001, in the Miami Herald

"But even the (Canadian) federal government concedes that a minimum
of 400,000 of the country's estimated 2.2 million gun owners have
refused to comply -- a shocking figure in a society where respect
for the law is second nature. And the real tally of noncompliers
may be much higher: Gun groups count six million privately owned
rifles and shotguns in Canada, meaning that millions of citizens
may be defying the law."

If millions of citizens choosing to become criminals is not
a skyrocketing crime rate, I don't know what is.
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CW wrote:
They are breaking the law, yes but I see a bit of distinction here between
these people and common criminals. The criminal actively commits an illegal
act. These people retaining their firearms did not commit any act. They were
declared criminals without any action of their own.

There are crimes of commission and crimes of omission. If a law requires action
of law-abiding citizens, then inaction is a crime. The Canadian gun laws caused
the crime rate in Canada to skyrocket.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:21:48 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Zoran Brlecic wrote:
No, it isn't. And, btw, red herring.

In one of those anti-gun countries, a crime is not reported as
an official crime until someone is convicted for the crime.
Unsolved crimes still on the books are not reported to the
outside world - bad for business.

That is how George Bush is "reducing" pollution in his Clear Skies
initiative -- carbon dioxide is no longer considered a pollutant.

Bob
k5qwg

Bob Miller wrote:
-- carbon dioxide is no longer considered a pollutant.

Well, that's reasonable, since all animals create carbon
dioxide and plants need it to survive.
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:04:42 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:
-- carbon dioxide is no longer considered a pollutant.

Well, that's reasonable, since all animals create carbon
dioxide and plants need it to survive.

Maybe it was carbon monoxide -- some kind of carbon...

bob
k5qwg

Typical envirowako. Doesn't even know what it is but its got "one of those
scientific names" so it must be bad. Yes, carbon dioxide is bad. You exhale
it when you breath. Do your part, help the world, quit breathing.


"Bob Miller" wrote in message

Maybe it was carbon monoxide -- some kind of carbon...

bob
k5qwg

CW wrote,

Typical envirowako. Doesn't even know what it is but its got "one of those
scientific names" so it must be bad. Yes, carbon dioxide is bad. You exhale
it when you breath. Do your part, help the world, quit breathing.


"Bob Miller" wrote in message

Maybe it was carbon monoxide -- some kind of carbon...

bob
k5qwg



It's supposed to make the earth warmer. I'm for
that.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Tdonaly wrote:
Cecil reads all the inflammatory, right wing, gun magazines and
believes them.

The latest was actually a left-wing newspaper criticizing the half
a million right-wing Canadians who refuse to register their guns.
That's half a million new crimes which, when prosecuted, will send
the Canadian crime rate out of sight.
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Bob Miller wrote:

wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:
-- carbon dioxide is no longer considered a pollutant.

Well, that's reasonable, since all animals create carbon
dioxide and plants need it to survive.

Maybe it was carbon monoxide -- some kind of carbon...

Nope, it was carbon dioxide, one of the "greenhouse" gasses.
Did you see Algore standing out in the coldest weather in
25 years in New York City the other day warning everyone
about global warming?
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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