Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

From: on Fri, Dec 29 2006 3:22 pm

Stefan Wolfe wrote:
wrote in message
From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm
wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

Hey Len, you've been flaming code on these groups since at least 1996...I
can still remember when you got on the rec.radio groups the first time.

No you can't. There was no Stefan Wolfe here in 1996. And there is no
amateur radio license issued to Stefan Wolfe.

Maybe he was a UK ham troll then?

Was I on that early? :-) I was on BBSs and doing letter-
writing a lot earlier than that, over a decade before.

Somehow, as a brilliant electronics engineer you were never able to master
the skill of sending and receiving letters represented as dits and dahs and
this kept you off HF...

Is that what's been keeping you off of HF? No license is issued to
Stefan Wolfe.

Odd, but Len has been on HF through SHF. All without code.

From VLF on up through 25 GHz...transmitting LEGALLY. :-)

I've never described myself or even implied that I was a
"brilliant electronics engineer." I've had lots of industry
experience in radio-electronics since 1952 (military), then
beginning 1956 (aerospace) in southern California. ONE radio-
relevant US patent, 3848191, issued 1974.

I had managed about 8 WPM in receiving morse code in the 60s,
then thought about the uselessness of such effort seeing as I
had worked in Big Time HF communications a decade earlier, all
WITHOUT having to learn or to use any morse code. The minimal
was then 13 WPM for a ham license. I'd already had 3 years of
military experience, leading to operating team supervisor, on
long-haul HF circuits across the Pacific and south to the
Phillippines, using RTTY and SSB (multi-channel commercial
kind) with some old-standard FAX plus being supervisor grade
on multi-channel microwave radio relay equipment. So *WHY*
was this old, old morse code so damn important to amateurs?
Came to the conclusion they all wanted to just recreate a
pioneering past where very few had participated, didn't really
go in for the comradeship that was supposed to be in ham radio.

Besides, CB had been created in 1958 and that was good for
local communications. The Los Angeles area didn't lack for
'other communicators' in the early 1960s. :-)


but you always had vastly superior academic skills
in the field of RF that fact seemed to make the skill of simple Morse
communication seem so irrelevant in today's modern world.

Len's knowledge of RF had nothing to do with it (sorry Len). Morse
Code became irrelevant all by itself.

Where the fork do these TROLLS come from, Brian? :-(

This twit obviously wants to FIGHT with words. Poor guy is
already gunned down and carted off to Boot Hill but he not
know it...

On the other hand, I've memorized a few formulas a tad more
complicated than Ohms's Law of Resistance...so that probably
is "rocket science" to some amateurs.


Now you no longer need that skill and the doors have swung open. Does that
mean you will make yourself and your brilliant mind available to the
unwashed masses of hams

There are no unwashed masses of hams. Maybe there are a few
individuals at hamfests that might pay more attention to personal
hygeine, but no masses.

Hmmm...the average ham mass is about 77 Kg. :-)

Maybe the desk-bound contester is 10 Kilo more from sitting
in front of his raddio for so long? :-)

Just WHAT am I supposed to "make available" to those ham
"masses?" Does Steppin Wolfe expect miracles from the
brass-pounders who've tried to pound ME for years about
their love for morse code?

What happened to all the "smarts" among the brass-pounders?
Why couldn't THEY do the "innovation" for their "unwashed"
brethren? None of the brass-pounders seem to answer that.


who only know how to pound keys?

Welp, there are a bunch who know how to pound their chests. That's
what the ARRL VP was saying when K4YZ attacked me.

Some of those Mighty Macho Morsemen pound what they think
are the chest mass of King Kong...but are still little
code monkeys dancing to the manual morse organ of that
publishing house in Connecticutt. I doubt many of them
could climb even a few stairwells of the Empire State
building in NYC...with or without biplanes buzzing
around trying to shoot them.


Will you now be
getting your extra class and dazzling us with new ideas and inventions that
will forever modernize the amateur modes, you know, the sort of achievements
you always said would be possible if only they got rid of that nasty Morse
test?

Tsk, the Troll from the UK has strapped on his holsters
and wants to walk down the street for a shoot-out... :-)

Thinking back to what I've written in here, I've NOT said
much about "achievements possible if the code test was
removed." That wasn't my point. The code test for an
AMATEUR radio license was just an anachronism, a left-over,
something that mattered ONLY to the very old timers who
had to take it (and therefore everyone else has to take it
too).

Amateur radio IS a fine, absorbing HOBBY pursuit. It should
be open to ALL who can qualify for the license through the
written tests. It is *NOT* nor should it ever have been
some kind of Living Museum of Archaic Radio Technology. But,
in the minds of the pro-coders, that's all it was...a
Living Museum of Morsemanship.

Morse code was NEVER an intellectual achievemnt, NEVER a
'technology.' It was, is, and will remain, just a psycho-
motor skill acquired through hours of practice. It requires
an APTITUDE for the on-off patterns similar to drumbeat
rhythms. Some take a VERY long time to master it at slow
speeds while others can learn quickly to achieve high rates.

The OLD S25 of the ITU Radio Regulations had a political
flavor to it...that of mandating adminstrations to test for
morse code for licenses having "below 30 MHz privileges."
Now "30 MHz" is an arbitrary choice. It is the top of the
definition of the HF decade in the spectrum. The next-
higher amateur radio band begins at 50 MHz and distance
propagation isn't very good up there. The limit on 30 MHz
APPEASED the old-timers in ham radio who regarded the ham
HF bands as "theirs" and wanted to keep morse code in the
very worst way. The International Amateur Radio Union
saw the present-day realism and did not want to appease the
old-timers or give in to their morse mythos. S25 got an
almost total rewrite in 2003 to bring it up to relatively
modern times. [S25 hasn't quite reached this new millennium
yet but give it time...]

Now, as to ORIGINAL INNOVATIONS, I can think of only TWO and
both of those done by Brits: Peter Martinez for PSK31 and
Mike Gingell for his R-C Polyphase Network used in SSB
modulation-demodulation other than by more-expensive crystal
filters. Those were new, original. Mike Gingell did his
Polyphase network for a PhD in the UK before moving to USA.
Martinez used Gingell's network in a ham transceiver
application three decades ago and has continued to innovate
things in HF radio. All the rest are ADAPTATIONS of EXISTING
commercial applications in circuits and systems...some very
good but still ADAPTATIONS, not ground-breaking new things.

How about if he does as much innovating as has N2EY, W3RV, K0HB, K8MN,
and K4YZ.

W3RV, K8MN, and K4YZ will be LOST behind the front panel of
any radio having semiconductors. N2EY now builds KITS
using semiconductors...his last described tube rig was a
kluge of tube circuits made from the equivalent of dumpster
diving (minimal cost some kind of achievement). Hans
probably can go behind the front panel and understand things
since he remains working in true high-tech electronics (the
only questions there is his being a 'manager,' a postion
not always held has having real-savvy technical smarts by
those working in the electronics industry). :-)

Hmmm? Did I leave Cecil off the list on purpose?

Cecil got tired of the self-righteous, self-important few
morsemen on RRAP and inhabited RRAA. Cecil likes to try
out antenna designs...and does some good things there from
what I've read elsewhere. Cecil has more patents awarded
than I...perhaps five (?) in all.

We will all be waiting Len.

We? You are trolls?

They are...Steppin Wolfe and all the other anony-mousies
eager to do Word War III in here. :-)

FCC 06-178 will become LAW of the USA soon. Whatever follows
(insofar as amateur radio is concerned) will happen. The
"predictions" in here are just Guesses, suppositions based
on individual's mode biases. What will be will be...

Best regards,

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ups.com...

snip

or some other BS myth...

One just "cannot" be a "ham" without "working someone with CW!"


Yeah, like, "One cannot be a driver without ever having changed a tire in
the rain at 2 AM.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Cecil has been in the newsgroup perhaps the longest, finally got
tired of it and went over to rec.radio.amateur.antenna.

Actually, I was on both rrap and rraa. My
attitude has always been of a Libertarian
flavor - freedom of choice of modes in a
free market of modes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Roger that, Cecil. :-) Way to go...FREEDOM of choice and not
coerced, brainwashed, or anything else by some old men in
Newington. :-)

Nice Hog you got...! :-)

73,

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
wrote:

(snip of wordy rant)

Google never forgets.

Remember that...

Last night I did a quick copy of the
All-Time Posters on RRAP and here is what they had for 28
Dec 06:

-me- 6,191

No, Len, that number is way too low.

According to Google, your postings to rrap since 1997 are no less than:

846 as
1230 as
10 as
39 as
1204 as
6210 as
1454 as

That's a grand total of no less than 10,993 postings to rrap, under no
less than seven different screen names, all by you. There may be more -
10,993 is a minimum number.

Google never forgets.

If your ability to count *your own postings* results in a number that
is so inaccurate, why should anyone trust your counts of other things?

If your ability to represent your own history of posting to rrap is so
error-filled, why should anyone trust your recounting of other history?

Jim, would you mind tallying up all of your postings under all of your
screen names?

Thanks a bunch.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
From: on Fri, Dec 29 2006 3:22 pm

Stefan Wolfe wrote:
wrote in message
From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm
wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

Hey Len, you've been flaming code on these groups since at least 1996...I
can still remember when you got on the rec.radio groups the first time.

No you can't. There was no Stefan Wolfe here in 1996. And there is no
amateur radio license issued to Stefan Wolfe.

Maybe he was a UK ham troll then?

I have to congratulate the UK trolls. They're the best.

Was I on that early? :-) I was on BBSs and doing letter-
writing a lot earlier than that, over a decade before.

I'm sure "Stefan" recalls that, too.

Somehow, as a brilliant electronics engineer you were never able to master
the skill of sending and receiving letters represented as dits and dahs and
this kept you off HF...

Is that what's been keeping you off of HF? No license is issued to
Stefan Wolfe.

Odd, but Len has been on HF through SHF. All without code.

From VLF on up through 25 GHz...transmitting LEGALLY. :-)

I've never described myself or even implied that I was a
"brilliant electronics engineer." I've had lots of industry
experience in radio-electronics since 1952 (military), then
beginning 1956 (aerospace) in southern California. ONE radio-
relevant US patent, 3848191, issued 1974.

I had managed about 8 WPM in receiving morse code in the 60s,
then thought about the uselessness of such effort seeing as I
had worked in Big Time HF communications a decade earlier, all
WITHOUT having to learn or to use any morse code. The minimal
was then 13 WPM for a ham license. I'd already had 3 years of
military experience, leading to operating team supervisor, on
long-haul HF circuits across the Pacific and south to the
Phillippines, using RTTY and SSB (multi-channel commercial
kind) with some old-standard FAX plus being supervisor grade
on multi-channel microwave radio relay equipment. So *WHY*
was this old, old morse code so damn important to amateurs?
Came to the conclusion they all wanted to just recreate a
pioneering past where very few had participated, didn't really
go in for the comradeship that was supposed to be in ham radio.

Besides, CB had been created in 1958 and that was good for
local communications. The Los Angeles area didn't lack for
'other communicators' in the early 1960s. :-)


but you always had vastly superior academic skills
in the field of RF that fact seemed to make the skill of simple Morse
communication seem so irrelevant in today's modern world.

Len's knowledge of RF had nothing to do with it (sorry Len). Morse
Code became irrelevant all by itself.

Where the fork do these TROLLS come from, Brian? :-(

There's this bridge in England...

This twit obviously wants to FIGHT with words. Poor guy is
already gunned down and carted off to Boot Hill but he not
know it...

The un-SK.

On the other hand, I've memorized a few formulas a tad more
complicated than Ohms's Law of Resistance...so that probably
is "rocket science" to some amateurs.

Can this formula be put into Excel?

Now you no longer need that skill and the doors have swung open. Does that
mean you will make yourself and your brilliant mind available to the
unwashed masses of hams

There are no unwashed masses of hams. Maybe there are a few
individuals at hamfests that might pay more attention to personal
hygeine, but no masses.

Hmmm...the average ham mass is about 77 Kg. :-)

Maybe the desk-bound contester is 10 Kilo more from sitting
in front of his raddio for so long? :-)

Just WHAT am I supposed to "make available" to those ham
"masses?" Does Steppin Wolfe expect miracles from the
brass-pounders who've tried to pound ME for years about
their love for morse code?

What happened to all the "smarts" among the brass-pounders?
Why couldn't THEY do the "innovation" for their "unwashed"
brethren? None of the brass-pounders seem to answer that.

They're just very average people, with the exception of playing human
modem.

who only know how to pound keys?

Welp, there are a bunch who know how to pound their chests. That's
what the ARRL VP was saying when K4YZ attacked me.

Some of those Mighty Macho Morsemen pound what they think
are the chest mass of King Kong...but are still little
code monkeys dancing to the manual morse organ of that
publishing house in Connecticutt. I doubt many of them
could climb even a few stairwells of the Empire State
building in NYC...with or without biplanes buzzing
around trying to shoot them.

Len, that was mean.

Will you now be
getting your extra class and dazzling us with new ideas and inventions that
will forever modernize the amateur modes, you know, the sort of achievements
you always said would be possible if only they got rid of that nasty Morse
test?

Tsk, the Troll from the UK has strapped on his holsters
and wants to walk down the street for a shoot-out... :-)

That is sooo sad. The subjects in England may have holsters, but
allowed nothing to put in them.

Thinking back to what I've written in here, I've NOT said
much about "achievements possible if the code test was
removed." That wasn't my point. The code test for an
AMATEUR radio license was just an anachronism, a left-over,
something that mattered ONLY to the very old timers who
had to take it (and therefore everyone else has to take it
too).

Uphill in the snow both ways.

Amateur radio IS a fine, absorbing HOBBY pursuit. It should
be open to ALL who can qualify for the license through the
written tests. It is *NOT* nor should it ever have been
some kind of Living Museum of Archaic Radio Technology. But,
in the minds of the pro-coders, that's all it was...a
Living Museum of Morsemanship.

Sad.

Morse code was NEVER an intellectual achievemnt, NEVER a
'technology.' It was, is, and will remain, just a psycho-
motor skill acquired through hours of practice. It requires
an APTITUDE for the on-off patterns similar to drumbeat
rhythms. Some take a VERY long time to master it at slow
speeds while others can learn quickly to achieve high rates.

Some got to learn it in the military, including three hots and a cot,
or the threat of being infantry or potato peeler.

The OLD S25 of the ITU Radio Regulations had a political
flavor to it...that of mandating adminstrations to test for
morse code for licenses having "below 30 MHz privileges."
Now "30 MHz" is an arbitrary choice. It is the top of the
definition of the HF decade in the spectrum. The next-
higher amateur radio band begins at 50 MHz and distance
propagation isn't very good up there. The limit on 30 MHz
APPEASED the old-timers in ham radio who regarded the ham
HF bands as "theirs" and wanted to keep morse code in the
very worst way. The International Amateur Radio Union
saw the present-day realism and did not want to appease the
old-timers or give in to their morse mythos. S25 got an
almost total rewrite in 2003 to bring it up to relatively
modern times. [S25 hasn't quite reached this new millennium
yet but give it time...]

Now, as to ORIGINAL INNOVATIONS, I can think of only TWO and
both of those done by Brits: Peter Martinez for PSK31 and
Mike Gingell for his R-C Polyphase Network used in SSB
modulation-demodulation other than by more-expensive crystal
filters. Those were new, original. Mike Gingell did his
Polyphase network for a PhD in the UK before moving to USA.
Martinez used Gingell's network in a ham transceiver
application three decades ago and has continued to innovate
things in HF radio. All the rest are ADAPTATIONS of EXISTING
commercial applications in circuits and systems...some very
good but still ADAPTATIONS, not ground-breaking new things.

How about if he does as much innovating as has N2EY, W3RV, K0HB, K8MN,
and K4YZ.

W3RV, K8MN, and K4YZ will be LOST behind the front panel of
any radio having semiconductors. N2EY now builds KITS
using semiconductors...his last described tube rig was a
kluge of tube circuits made from the equivalent of dumpster
diving (minimal cost some kind of achievement). Hans
probably can go behind the front panel and understand things
since he remains working in true high-tech electronics (the
only questions there is his being a 'manager,' a postion
not always held has having real-savvy technical smarts by
those working in the electronics industry). :-)

Sometimes they are referred to as "Dump Huck."

Hmmm? Did I leave Cecil off the list on purpose?

Cecil got tired of the self-righteous, self-important few
morsemen on RRAP and inhabited RRAA. Cecil likes to try
out antenna designs...and does some good things there from
what I've read elsewhere. Cecil has more patents awarded
than I...perhaps five (?) in all.

I recall Cecil succumbing to their jeers to join them on CW. Poor
******* so wanted to prove himself to them that he operated CW with a
thunderstorm overhead and lightning alqds. After such heroics, they
still don't like his ideas and ostracize him.

We will all be waiting Len.

We? You are trolls?

They are...Steppin Wolfe and all the other anony-mousies
eager to do Word War III in here. :-)

FCC 06-178 will become LAW of the USA soon. Whatever follows
(insofar as amateur radio is concerned) will happen. The
"predictions" in here are just Guesses, suppositions based
on individual's mode biases. What will be will be...

Best regards,


Julie Andrews in The Sound of Music.

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Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

John Smith I wrote:
...

Sorry about that, meant to hit the post above yours ...

JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their

""""""exclusive club"""""

I think this is the key to Ms Kotts reaction.
New folks "the unwashed masses" are going to move into what she thinks of as
her exclusive neighborhood, and things will be different.
Change is upsetting, but change happens.
Deal with it.
Radio and Cw were "new fangled technology" in 1905, because she grew up with
this technology, She wants to stick to the 19th century technology she is
familiar with.
If the CDC did that, people would be dying like flies from what are NOW
preventable diseases like Measles, Cholera, typhoid , typhus, Yellow Fever,
etc.And surgery would be done without anaesthesia.


- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
NO this is not true! Once knowledge is discovered it willl not DIE. Its
usage may decline as other technologies supplant it, BUT it will survive.

......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham
radio itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.

A surge in interest is a GOOD thing. Too many Old Farts like me (age 55),
and not enough youngsters coming in to the hobby.

......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of
World Radio magazine and a field representative for the

Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan

IS this an Official policy if the CDC? Is she its authorized
spokesperson????
..
Last time I was there, the CDC headquarters were outside Atlanta, Georgia.

"We live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000
licensed ham operators in the United States and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the
International Morse Preservation Society.

Again this sounds to me like an old timers' temper tantrum against change.

Dan AI8O

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wrote:
I recall Cecil succumbing to their jeers to join them on CW. Poor
******* so wanted to prove himself to them that he operated CW with a
thunderstorm overhead and lightning alqds. After such heroics, they
still don't like his ideas and ostracize him.

CW is my favorite mode and I enjoy 10 wpm QSO's.
GMC is my favorite pickup. Vanilla Bean is my
favorite ice cream. Texas is my favorite state.
I just don't believe in forcing my favorite mode
on anyone else any more than I believe in forcing
my favorite pickup, my favorite ice cream, and
my favorite state on anyone else. What is wrong
with live and let live?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

Dan wrote:
...
If the CDC did that, people would be dying like flies from what are NOW
preventable diseases like Measles, Cholera, typhoid , typhus, Yellow Fever,
etc.And surgery would be done without anaesthesia.
...
Dan AI8O



Dan:

All your points are interesting. Aids is a preventable disease, I
wonder if someone has inform Ms. Kott?

Regards,
JS

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Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
I recall Cecil succumbing to their jeers to join them on CW. Poor
******* so wanted to prove himself to them that he operated CW with a
thunderstorm overhead and lightning alqds. After such heroics, they
still don't like his ideas and ostracize him.

CW is my favorite mode and I enjoy 10 wpm QSO's.
GMC is my favorite pickup. Vanilla Bean is my
favorite ice cream. Texas is my favorite state.
I just don't believe in forcing my favorite mode
on anyone else any more than I believe in forcing
my favorite pickup, my favorite ice cream, and
my favorite state on anyone else. What is wrong
with live and let live?

Cecil:

Seeing as you passed the CW element--I see no problem in you:
1) Driving a GMC.
2) Eating Vanilla Bean Ice Cream.
3) Living in Texas.

However, you did right with checking with us first ... I can only hope
you continue to do so in the future.

chuckle
JS

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Roger that, Cecil. :-) Way to go...FREEDOM of choice and not
coerced, brainwashed, or anything else by some old men in
Newington. :-)

Len, you used to argue that ham radio would benefit if only the FCC would
let the brilliant RF scientists, engineers and physicists, who only lacked
the ability or desire to learn Morse code, to enter the service. You also
used to argue that the code was a roadblock to younger people entering the
hobby. On the surface, these seemed to be some pretty noble ideals upon
which to take the high road. This is all on the record.

But now it becomes clear that, with the Morse requirement indeed no longer a
low tech obstacle to these high potential contributors, the promises of
these positive outcomes have been pretty much toned down...by about 100%.
Maybe they will happen but probably (I'm sure you agree) things will pretty
much stay the same, other than the rise of another marginal increase in the
lid factor similar towhat we saw on 75m with the advent of the 5wpm
generals.

Now you say it was all only for freedom of choice.

When did your flip turn into a flop? :-))

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From: on Sat, Dec 30 2006 3:42 am

wrote:
wrote:

(snip of wordy rant)

AS IF Miccolis is 'never' wordy... :-)


Last night I did a quick copy of the
All-Time Posters on RRAP and here is what they had for 28
Dec 06:

-me- 6,191

No, Len, that number is way too low.

Google provided it. I just copied the numbers that Google
put up of the TOP TEN. shrug

Miccolis says the Top Ten listing is "wrong." That's a NEW
territory of criticsm for him! :-)

The WORST I can be accused of is being incomplete. :-)

Miccolis cribs license class totals from the AH0A website
and implies they are "his" since he NEVER shows the origin
of his data. shrug


If your ability to count *your own postings* results in a number that
is so inaccurate, why should anyone trust your counts of other things?

If I had "counted my own postings" I would have done so and
listed all my 'handles' (screennames). :-)

If your ability to represent your own history of posting to rrap is so
error-filled, why should anyone trust your recounting of other history?

Jim, would you mind tallying up all of your postings under all of your
screen names?

Thanks a bunch.

Brian, you're asking the impossible! :-)

"Quitefine" will never admit it. Nun of the Above is NEVER wrong!

Happy New Year,

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Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

From: John Smith I on Sat, Dec 30 2006 9:43 am

wrote:
...
I recall Cecil succumbing to their jeers to join them on CW. Poor
******* so wanted to prove himself to them that he operated CW with a
thunderstorm overhead and lightning alqds. After such heroics, they
still don't like his ideas and ostracize him.
...

Len, Len, Len ...

There are many here whose time has come and gone. They have only their
retirement check, SSI, time and antique radio gear.

Seeing your following post explaining the mixup in attributes,
I'll toss a thing or two in here in response... :-)

The on-air get-together of morsemen was reported in here in
some detail and Cecil really did do his thunderstorm thing.
Considering Cecil's method of antenna matching...open-wire
feedline stubs switched in by knife switches...it is one
heckuva dangerous exercise to peak his wire antenna response!

I admire Cecil Moore for his free-thinking ability...plus
his nifty Harley-Davidson motorcycle (called a "hog" among
motor afficionados). :-) He moved back to Texas to take
care of his ailing parents, something I had in common with
him and don't wish that on anyone.

---

Not all of the correspondents in here are in retirement!
Most of the adamant morsemen seem to be, though, but
Jimmie Noserve "is not." Since only a select few of his
"inner circle" of (morsemen) friends seem to know what
he does and where so "N2EY" isn't yet retired...but he
sounds like he is in his 80s or 90s, though.

The Prussian pedant ("K8MN") has his government pension
checks and as a retiree of the federal government it would
probably not be from the SS. He only ACTS like he was in
the SS. :-)

You think anyone, but another one, can get along with any one of them?

I don't think a chronological contemporary can "get along"
with them unless they are part of the wish-fulfillment
tribe called morsemen. They are SET in their ways,
unable to adapt, yet all want to be "leaders" or, at the
very least, "respected" for their unfailing devotion to
old, old standards and practices in a radio hobby.

Most won't acknowledge that amateur radio IS a hobby...
those are off into their own wish-fulfillment dreams of
honor, glory, majesty, and "service to their country" by
having that particular hobby. Sheesh.

Now there's nothing at all wrong with having a fascinating
hobby. Amateur radio IS a fascinating hobby. It can be
fun, it can be a recreation. Some folk in here let it
dominate their life and THAT gets them off into some
fantasies of their own. Not a good thing. For them or
the ones they are around. Especially so if their whole
being in the hobby are dominated by a self-styled few
leaders up in the NE USA. The STRICT ordering of
jargon and protocol and 'We' do things 'differently'
(as in the standards of over a half century ago) gets a
bit annoying to technology liberals. Radio itself is
only 110 years old and is constantly changing. To be
stuck in the beginning middle of that technology lifespan
(never to change) seems an absurd ultra-conservative
fixation with old technology.

It's worse with the fixation towards on-off keyed CW.
Morse code was first used in 1844...BEFORE radio
existed as a communications medium. Why in hell a 162-
year-old mode "must" be a "qualifier" for an amateur
radio license is ludicrous. That "need" to preserve a
truly archaic mode HAS to be the result of intense
mental conditioning (commonly called brainwashing) by
the you-know-who organization (the main 'news' source
for USA amateur radio).

On the other hand, the strict adherence to standards and
protocol of olden times MAY be satisfactory for all those
who have difficulty with adaptation to newer technology.
That adherence can be a comfort, a psychological survival
factor perhaps, but it doesn't alleviate their inability
to adapt. Trying to get everyone else to conform to THEIR
beloved adherence to old standards and practices is very,
very wrong and also very selfish of them.

LA

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

John Smith I wrote:
wrote:
...
I recall Cecil succumbing to their jeers to join them on CW. Poor
******* so wanted to prove himself to them that he operated CW with a
thunderstorm overhead and lightning alqds. After such heroics, they
still don't like his ideas and ostracize him.
...

Len, Len, Len ...

There are many here whose time has come and gone. They have only their
retirement check, SSI, time and antique radio gear.

You think anyone, but another one, can get along with any one of them?

Warmest regards,
JS

Sure. Anything you say, Dave.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
I recall Cecil succumbing to their jeers to join them on CW. Poor
******* so wanted to prove himself to them that he operated CW with a
thunderstorm overhead and lightning alqds. After such heroics, they
still don't like his ideas and ostracize him.

CW is my favorite mode and I enjoy 10 wpm QSO's.
GMC is my favorite pickup. Vanilla Bean is my
favorite ice cream. Texas is my favorite state.
I just don't believe in forcing my favorite mode
on anyone else any more than I believe in forcing
my favorite pickup, my favorite ice cream, and
my favorite state on anyone else. What is wrong
with live and let live?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I'm with you, Cecil. Live and let live.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

(snip of wordy rant)

Google never forgets.

Remember that...

Last night I did a quick copy of the
All-Time Posters on RRAP and here is what they had for 28
Dec 06:

-me- 6,191

No, Len, that number is way too low.

According to Google, your postings to rrap since 1997 are no less than:

846 as
1230 as
10 as
39 as
1204 as
6210 as
1454 as

That's a grand total of no less than 10,993 postings to rrap, under no
less than seven different screen names, all by you. There may be more -
10,993 is a minimum number.

Google never forgets.

If your ability to count *your own postings* results in a number that
is so inaccurate, why should anyone trust your counts of other things?

If your ability to represent your own history of posting to rrap is so
error-filled, why should anyone trust your recounting of other history?

Jim, would you mind tallying up all of your postings under all of your
screen names?

Whatever would be the point of that?

Here are just *some* of yours, Brian Burke:

1577 as
2863 as
2973 as
2211 as

These are just your posts to rrap, and just the ones using those four
screen names. There are probably many more under other names.

Total comes to 9,624.

Google never forgets.

There are probably other screen names

Nope, I think I had one with my call. I switched to an "anon" after
too much unwarranted attention was being paid to where my residence was
by some of the bad elements on RRAP. Then Hans asked me to give up
Billy, and I did. I selected a screen name with "ham" in the title
just for fun.

Now, Jim, would you mind tallying up all of your postings under all of
your screen names?

Betcha can't.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
From: on Sat, Dec 30 2006 3:42 am

wrote:
wrote:

(snip of wordy rant)

AS IF Miccolis is 'never' wordy... :-)

I like the one where he goes on and on and on about Amateur
contributions during WWII, when everyone know that the gubmn't shut
down amateur radio during WWII. None-the-Less, he goes on and on and
on about it.

Last night I did a quick copy of the
All-Time Posters on RRAP and here is what they had for 28
Dec 06:

-me- 6,191

No, Len, that number is way too low.

Google provided it. I just copied the numbers that Google
put up of the TOP TEN. shrug

Miccolis says the Top Ten listing is "wrong." That's a NEW
territory of criticsm for him! :-)

The WORST I can be accused of is being incomplete. :-)

Miccolis cribs license class totals from the AH0A website
and implies they are "his" since he NEVER shows the origin
of his data. shrug


If your ability to count *your own postings* results in a number that
is so inaccurate, why should anyone trust your counts of other things?

If I had "counted my own postings" I would have done so and
listed all my 'handles' (screennames). :-)

If your ability to represent your own history of posting to rrap is so
error-filled, why should anyone trust your recounting of other history?

Jim, would you mind tallying up all of your postings under all of your
screen names?

Thanks a bunch.

Brian, you're asking the impossible! :-)

NOT impossible. He's merely unwilling. ;^)

"Quitefine" will never admit it. Nun of the Above is NEVER wrong!

Happy New Year,



Happy New Year.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
wrote:
From: on Sat, Dec 30 2006 3:42 am
wrote:
wrote:

Last night I did a quick copy of the
All-Time Posters on RRAP and here is what they had for 28
Dec 06:

-me- 6,191

No, Len, that number is way too low.

Google provided it. I just copied the numbers that Google
put up of the TOP TEN. shrug

It's inaccurate. You did not interrogate Google correctly, and so the
number you gave is much lower than the actual number.

If you can't be accurate, why should anyone trust you?

says the Top Ten listing is "wrong."

Nope.

I'm saying *you* are giving a number that is very inaccurate. 6,191 is
a lot less than 10,993.

That's a NEW
territory of criticsm for him! :-)

"Criticsm"?

The WORST I can be accused of is being incomplete. :-)

In error is more like it.

cribs license class totals from the AH0A website
and implies they are "his" since he NEVER shows the origin
of his data. shrug

No, that is not correct.

The totals I post every two weeks do not come from AH0A.

I have posted my source here. You are either too lazy or too
incompetent to find it ;-)

If your ability to count *your own postings* results in a number that
is so inaccurate, why should anyone trust your counts of other things?

If I had "counted my own postings" I would have done so and
listed all my 'handles' (screennames). :-)

But you didn't. That means you intentionally posted a number that was
too low.

Some would say you tried to deceive us.

If your ability to represent your own history of posting to rrap is so
error-filled, why should anyone trust your recounting of other history?

Jim, would you mind tallying up all of your postings under all of your
screen names?

Thanks a bunch.

Brian, you're asking the impossible! :-)

Not impossible at all. Just unlikely.

So why should anyone trust anything you say when you run around
tallying up everyones posting totals except your own? Personal
opinion: you can't be trusted. ;^)

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

All this stuff about dumbing down America is garbage. This lady works
for the CDC and has this kind of attitude? Thats scary. By the same
token, I guess a physician is less of a doctor, is 'dumb' because he
uses an MRI to make a diagnosis rather than cutting someone open for
exploratory surgery.
Telegraphy (in its simplest form, smoke signals) has been around
for thousands of years, keys for a bit over 200. Its time to move on
people.
CW is a nice skill to have, as are woodworking, horseback riding
and knitting. But not one of them is relevant to life in the 21st
century. not even a little bit. If everyone with those abilities fell
off the planet right now, the world would hardly notice the loss. Thats
just the way it is. Amatuer Radio operators can be innovators that
move along with the times and embrace new opportunities (as we have
done for the most part) or we can keep crying about how things were in
the good old days and become (extinct) dinosaurs.
Now if you will excuse me I need to start studying for my General.


Stefan Wolfe wrote:
SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan. "We
live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

... So true, Ms. Kott...

Monkey Generals, was Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

"DaveC" wrote in message Now if you will excuse me I
need to start studying for my General.

Good one Dave. When you start "studying" for your general you will see how
dumbed down and simple it is and you might marvel at why the QPC would have
ever even bothered to commit such a "test" to publication. It may also occur
to you that, as the the Geico commercial says, it is so easy a caveman could
do it. Actually I would move back perhaps 25 millions earlier in the
evolutionary cycle and say it is so easy, even a monkey could do it.

And monkeys it will be.

The new Monkey General class :-)