Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
.......
.......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
.......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
.......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan. "We
live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

... So true, Ms. Kott...

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

Stefan Wolfe wrote:
...
... So true, Ms. Kott...



Let's demand Ms. Kott learn to do calligraphy, make handmade parchment
and operate an old franklin press, before we license her to be a mag's
editor!

Then let's see how she feels about "dumbing down."

JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

Stefan Wolfe wrote:


The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine

In the R&O, the FCC observed that there was no connection between morse
code knowledge and compliance with the rules. The old 14.313 disaster
was back in the days of 13 WPM and above coded hams. And VHF didn't
turn into a CB mess since no code technician licenses started. And HF
didn't get worse with 5WPM generals and extras. So as far as the FCC is
concerned, they decided that there was no regulatory point in keeping
element 1 in the tests. And the FCC isn't in the business of handing
out merit badges. The whole point in requiring license testing is to be
sure that people are at least aware of the responsibilities involved
with transmitting RF into the radio spectra, that we do it in such a way
that doesn't trash the spectrum for other users, ham and others. We
then get permission to build, modify and so on transmitting equipment if
we want to. CBers or FRSers are not supposed to do that.

As for newbies, virtually all new hams want to be accepted into our
world, and will learn and adjust their operating habits as needed to be
accepted. This has been true since day one, and aside from a few fools
saying things like "No kids, no lids, and no space cadets" everyone
knows what it was like to be a newbie.

," according to CDC nope
 

," according to CDC nope
 

robert casey wrote:
wrote:

but she clearly lacks the power to speack for the CDC

So? For the last 20 years or so, it's been understood that no user
speaks for their ISP, be it a subscription service or their company.

Huh? What does an isp user have to do with the CDC (Center for Disease
Control)

JS

," according to CDC nope
 

"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of
World

I wonder if ol Nancy got her ticket back when everyone made their own
equipment at
home (the start of dumbing down of America must have been when hams
started to by
radios from the radio store).Or did she get her ticket back when you
had to draw circuits
as part of the test.That not drawing circuits must have been the real
beginning of dumbing down.What a brain stem.
kc9irr

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My 2 cents on this....
Code has been on it's way out for a long time. With all the new modes it is
hard to require code and not the others.
Being a new ham myself, I found the 5wpm easy, to tell the truth 5wpm is
harder than 15wpm to me. Sometimes you can go too slow...
One thing that I have a problem with in the general written test is the
lack of proper operating procedures. I had no Elmer's for HF so the only way
I learned was by listening and making a few embarrassing mistakes that I was
corrected on with no lack of teasing. I wont say what was said but lets say
there is a wide gap between 2 meters and HF.

BTW I can repair my TS-400s and I run all my rigs off of solar power and
battery storage. I am not an idiot but have found that the more I learn
about ham radio, the more questions I have.
I just wish that there were more people out there like all of you, that
takes the time to help out the newbie's like me. I am a 45 year old newbie.
One more note..I was able to help out the EOC in Gulfport Mississippi,
after hurricane Katrina shortly after getting my technicians license. I was
down there for work and donated my spare 2m rig. So I guess I am proof that
even a newbie can help out when it counts.
Joe
KI4ILB
"robert casey" wrote in message
nk.net...
Stefan Wolfe wrote:


The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham
radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of
World
Radio magazine

In the R&O, the FCC observed that there was no connection between morse
code knowledge and compliance with the rules. The old 14.313 disaster
was back in the days of 13 WPM and above coded hams. And VHF didn't
turn into a CB mess since no code technician licenses started. And HF
didn't get worse with 5WPM generals and extras. So as far as the FCC is
concerned, they decided that there was no regulatory point in keeping
element 1 in the tests. And the FCC isn't in the business of handing
out merit badges. The whole point in requiring license testing is to be
sure that people are at least aware of the responsibilities involved
with transmitting RF into the radio spectra, that we do it in such a way
that doesn't trash the spectrum for other users, ham and others. We
then get permission to build, modify and so on transmitting equipment if
we want to. CBers or FRSers are not supposed to do that.

As for newbies, virtually all new hams want to be accepted into our
world, and will learn and adjust their operating habits as needed to be
accepted. This has been true since day one, and aside from a few fools
saying things like "No kids, no lids, and no space cadets" everyone
knows what it was like to be a newbie.

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merlin-7 wrote:
My 2 cents on this....
Code has been on it's way out for a long time. With all the new modes it is
hard to require code and not the others.
Being a new ham myself, I found the 5wpm easy, to tell the truth 5wpm is
harder than 15wpm to me. Sometimes you can go too slow...
...

First you only hear dit and dahs. Then whole letters. Then whole words ...

Regards,
JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Odd thing that happend in the uk after code was dropped...code useage went
up...
Joe

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote in message
...
SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham
radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of
World
Radio magazine and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan. "We
live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000
licensed
ham operators in the United States and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the
International
Morse Preservation Society.

... So true, Ms. Kott...

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however,

There has never been any "Morse Requirement." No particular mode is
mandated.

could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine

I suspect that Nancy is actually that grouchy Sterba, Kurt N.

and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan.

I thought the CDC was in Atlanta and World Radio was in 6-land?

"We live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

The written exams are "nothing?"

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States

Another "first."

and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

That would make it "IMPS." I thought it called itself "FISTS."


... So true, Ms. Kott...

I'm not so easily convinced, Stefan.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

"merlin-7" wrote in
:

Odd thing that happend in the uk after code was dropped...code useage
went up...
Joe

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote in message
...
SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear
that their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham
radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to
about 500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor
of
World

The whole quote was:



“It’s part of the dumbing down of America,” said Nancy Kott, editor of
World Radio magazine and a field representative for the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention in Metamora, Mich. “We live in a society
today that wants something for nothing.”

At what point is the potential Ham Dumb and wanting something for
nothing?

Was it when they lowered the requirement to 5 wpm for all license
classes? Speaking of 5wpm, were all Novices dumb and looking for
something for nothing? And were Generals and advanced just dumb enough,
and just looking for something for almost nothing?

I'm just about at the point of thinking that Morse CW use *will*
increase after the test requirement goes away.

I wonder what type of antennas the new dumb hams will use - just to
bring this on topic, since it's crossposted to an rraa.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA

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Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

John Smith I wrote:

wrote:
...
I thought the CDC was in Atlanta and World Radio was in 6-land?
...


hhac:

Implementing logic, I'd venture a guess the CDC has an outreach program
in SF. SF has a major segment of the queer population in America, the
aids disease is out of hand.

Although aids is insignificant when compared to cancers death toll and
there IS a cure for aids, tons of money gets thrown at it while cancer
goes wanting.

If I was forced to venture a guess further, I'd almost bet Ms. Kott is a
lesbian (that is just a personal opinion and guess!) I am almost always
leery of lesbians, too often we end up in competition over the same
women, and they get angry if they lose!

And, I'd suspect (I never have checked) the amount of male licensees
must out number female licensees 10:1 or better, heck it could be 100:1;
If it is as I suspect, Ms. Kott is a lesbian, what better hobby to find
if you are into male bashing? (she'd just love to make a bunch of
"dumbed down hams" out of the amateur population)

Regards,
JS



With all of the "dumb and dumber" crap that gets posted here, this
pretty tops even Markie. You sir, are a complete asshole.

What happened did you have a female boss who gave you a deserved bad
rap and you never got oaver it ?


Thumper (Ham for 40 years and AE for 35 of those)

PS you Post your call and I'll post mine, dumb ass

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

John, you are a real piece of ****. Are you reallly a Han?

Win, W0LZ

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

merlin-7 wrote:
Odd thing that happend in the uk after code was dropped...code useage went
up...
Joe


That may well be true but if you go over to uk.radio.amateur you
might be forgiven for thinking that the sky is about to fall in.
There a small number of individuals who are hostile and dismissive
of newcomers but I recall similar behaviour 40 years ago.

This whole code thing has me snoring - I took my RAE in 1964, lost
interest in the hobby but spent 25 years in electronics. At no time
did I ever want to receive or send Morse code. Coming back to the
hobby after 40 years I enjoy making gear and experimenting with
antennas as well as winkling out dx.

I have to say that I will not be complaining because I can have a
full license sans Morse code and it will not make or break me as an
operator. What will make me a good operator is that I understand
where and how I should be operating, that I understand my equipment
and it's limitations and that I respect others users of the amateur
bands. Plus, I am willing to listen and learn :)


Charlie.

--
www.wymsey.co.uk

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

John Smith I wrote:
SNIP

If I was forced to venture a guess further, I'd almost bet Ms. Kott is a
lesbian (that is just a personal opinion and guess!) I am almost always
leery of lesbians, too often we end up in competition over the same
women, and they get angry if they lose!

And, I'd suspect (I never have checked) the amount of male licensees
must out number female licensees 10:1 or better, heck it could be 100:1;
If it is as I suspect, Ms. Kott is a lesbian, what better hobby to find
if you are into male bashing? (she'd just love to make a bunch of
"dumbed down hams" out of the amateur population)

Regards,
JS


Maybe you should stick to antennas Mr Smith what with you fancying
gay women and your nasty remarks about aids suffers. And let's not
forget your misogyny.

Your antennas don't appear to be at all sensitive and could do with
some tuning!


PLONK

Charlie.


--
www.wymsey.co.uk

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

Catguy wrote:
...

Idiot. Command your children, I speak as I dern will please.

As to your call, store it where the sun doesn't shine.

Now, have a nice day :)

JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

Win wrote:
John, you are a real piece of ****. Are you reallly a Han?

Win, W0LZ

You sir are a piece of chit for even attempting to intimidate me in my
exercise of free speech!

My speech (actually text here) stands on its own, it needs no license,
no degree, no personality to shore it up--if you disagree, have an
opposing opinion or are offended by it--that IS your right.

However, all your rights END when they would even begin to limit me of mine!

Good day sir,
JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

charlie wrote:
...

Do as you please ...

Just don't attempt to limit me from doing the same.

JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

John Smith I wrote:
SNIP

Implementing logic, I'd venture a guess the CDC has an outreach program
in SF. SF has a major segment of the queer population in America, the
aids disease is out of hand.

SNIP


Just to put you venturing into perspective, if you had read the
article in question you would hardly have failed to note that the
lady in question works for an organisation in Michigan:

""It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor
of World Radio magazine and a field representative for the Centers
for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan."



--
www.wymsey.co.uk

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

charlie wrote:
...
Just to put you venturing into perspective, if you had read the
article in question you would hardly have failed to note that the
lady in question works for an organisation in Michigan:


I can only figure, at this point, with this post of yours, you are claim
no queers live in Michigan. Well sir, it IS my opinion they do ...

JS

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

I guess no one cares that Stefan come on here bitchin and moaning and
crying about the "dumbing down" of USA amateur radio, and he has no
apparent license.

How easily everyone gets fooled by these trolls.

SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however,

There has never been any "Morse Requirement." No particular mode is
mandated.

That's right. And there's no requirement to get on the air once you do
have a license.

could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine

I suspect that Nancy is actually that grouchy Sterba, Kurt N.

I dunno. Kurt might be anybody.

and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan.

I thought the CDC was in Atlanta and World Radio was in 6-land?

You're right.

"We live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

The written exams are "nothing?"

That's exactly right. That's why it was so important to keep the Morse
Code exam, because the written exams are nothing.

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States

Another "first."

Well, I dunno.

and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

That would make it "IMPS." I thought it called itself "FISTS."

I guess no one wants to be called an "Imps."

... So true, Ms. Kott...

I'm not so easily convinced, Stefan.

Maybe Stefan has some other words of wisdom?

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm

wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

I guess no one cares that Stefan come on here bitchin and moaning and
crying about the "dumbing down" of USA amateur radio, and he has no
apparent license.

How easily everyone gets fooled by these trolls.

Maybe he got his given name spelled wrong? Like "Steppin Wolfe?"
:-)

SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however,

There has never been any "Morse Requirement." No particular mode is
mandated.

That's right. And there's no requirement to get on the air once you do
have a license.

Horrors! Isn't Ham Radio ALL about "working DX on HF with CW?"

Why...why...why one HAS to "get on the air" and "work" someone
by morsemanship! "Rite of passage" or some other BS myth...

One just "cannot" be a "ham" without "working someone with CW!"

:-)

could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine

I suspect that Nancy is actually that grouchy Sterba, Kurt N.

I dunno. Kurt might be anybody.

Kurt Weil? Sterba, Kurtain? :-)

[author-composer of musical "Cabaret" and a famous old wire
antenna of large dimensions once used by the pros...]


and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan.

I thought the CDC was in Atlanta and World Radio was in 6-land?

You're right.

Gosh, I thought "CDC" stood for Control Data Corporation...

"We live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

The written exams are "nothing?"

That's exactly right. That's why it was so important to keep the Morse
Code exam, because the written exams are nothing.

Riiiiight...the ultimate, the ne plus ultra of "radio
operating" is sending-receiving morse code. :-)

Like ANY other radio service ever uses it nowadays for
communications...guffaw

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States

Another "first."

Well, I dunno.

Nancy Kott is caught up in a "Nancy Kause" of Doing Something
To Preserve The Glory and Honor of Morsemanship."

That "Kause" is doomed...


and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

That would make it "IMPS." I thought it called itself "FISTS."

I guess no one wants to be called an "Imps."

"FISTS" carries the emotional baggage of Virility, Strength,
Force, and is very Manly. :-)

Hmmm...that alone makes one wonder about Ms. Kott's motivation?

[now watch the response, Brian, Jimmie Noserve will be in here
with a "you're Wrong" and describe the origin of "FISTS" and
other assorted glories of morsemanship...as if He is the only
"smart" one and all no-coders are imbeciles]

... So true, Ms. Kott...

I'm not so easily convinced, Stefan.

Maybe Stefan has some other words of wisdom?

Maybe that given name is a contraction of **** that hit the fan?

One can only wonder.

Maybe this Stefan is really Mikey Deignan trying to get some new
Club Calls to replace the ones taken away from him? :-)

[the "KH6" is now a resident of Bedford, MA...no longer having a
PO box in Hawaii courtesy of Jeff Herman]

Hmmm...whatever happened to Eric June, the self-appointed
president and director of "Know Code International?" :-)

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote:
From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm

wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

I guess no one cares that Stefan come on here bitchin and moaning and
crying about the "dumbing down" of USA amateur radio, and he has no
apparent license.

How easily everyone gets fooled by these trolls.

Maybe he got his given name spelled wrong? Like "Steppin Wolfe?"
:-)

Very psychodelic. Don't get rug burns from the magic carpet ride.

SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however,

There has never been any "Morse Requirement." No particular mode is
mandated.

That's right. And there's no requirement to get on the air once you do
have a license.

Horrors! Isn't Ham Radio ALL about "working DX on HF with CW?"

That's correct. Anything less than than just makes for a lesser ham.

Why...why...why one HAS to "get on the air" and "work" someone
by morsemanship! "Rite of passage" or some other BS myth...

One just "cannot" be a "ham" without "working someone with CW!"

:-)

"Hams of a Lesser God."

could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine

I suspect that Nancy is actually that grouchy Sterba, Kurt N.

I dunno. Kurt might be anybody.

Kurt Weil? Sterba, Kurtain? :-)

[author-composer of musical "Cabaret" and a famous old wire
antenna of large dimensions once used by the pros...]

A cranky (OM) who writes antenna books at World Radio.

and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan.

I thought the CDC was in Atlanta and World Radio was in 6-land?

You're right.

Gosh, I thought "CDC" stood for Control Data Corporation...

Isn't Control Data defunct?

"We live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

The written exams are "nothing?"

That's exactly right. That's why it was so important to keep the Morse
Code exam, because the written exams are nothing.

Riiiiight...the ultimate, the ne plus ultra of "radio
operating" is sending-receiving morse code. :-)

Like ANY other radio service ever uses it nowadays for
communications...guffaw

Well, well, well....

A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States

Another "first."

Well, I dunno.

Nancy Kott is caught up in a "Nancy Kause" of Doing Something
To Preserve The Glory and Honor of Morsemanship."

A Priestess in the Church of St. Hiram?

That "Kause" is doomed...

Maybe not doomed...

and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

That would make it "IMPS." I thought it called itself "FISTS."

I guess no one wants to be called an "Imps."

"FISTS" carries the emotional baggage of Virility, Strength,
Force, and is very Manly. :-)

Hmmmm? I guess "IMPS" is "OUT."

Hmmm...that alone makes one wonder about Ms. Kott's motivation?

[now watch the response, Brian, Jimmie Noserve will be in here
with a "you're Wrong" and describe the origin of "FISTS" and
other assorted glories of morsemanship...as if He is the only
"smart" one and all no-coders are imbeciles]

Yep. and FISTicuffS was there in WWII helping the effort.

... So true, Ms. Kott...

I'm not so easily convinced, Stefan.

Maybe Stefan has some other words of wisdom?

Maybe that given name is a contraction of **** that hit the fan?

One can only wonder.

Maybe this Stefan is really Mikey Deignan trying to get some new
Club Calls to replace the ones taken away from him? :-)

The RF Commandos are missing in action, but they still have a Club Call
to come back to if they ever have another meeting.

[the "KH6" is now a resident of Bedford, MA...no longer having a
PO box in Hawaii courtesy of Jeff Herman]

People who glom up exotic callsigns having never been to the
location...

Hmmm...whatever happened to Eric June, the self-appointed
president and director of "Know Code International?" :-)



I forgot all about him. And the other guy - Val Germann...

Code Free--CDC had no official part in the statement
 

If there's anything other than politics and Morse code to argue about,
especially in RRAP, it must be all the disgusting garbage offered by
the resident lunatics and the 45-year long rant that would even turn
the stomachs of the gay people they malign.

Certainly you have a thread about the best new gear that became
available this year or the best influence on the hobby.

At least I cannot get these "posters" if I read a printed radio
magazine.

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Mike Coslo wrote in
6:

"merlin-7" wrote in
:

Odd thing that happend in the uk after code was dropped...code useage
went up...
Joe

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote in message
...
SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear
that their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however, could be a boon for ham
radio itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to
about 500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor
of
World

The whole quote was:



“It’s part of the dumbing down of America,” said Nancy Kott, editor of
World Radio magazine and a field representative for the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention in Metamora, Mich. “We live in a society
today that wants something for nothing.”

At what point is the potential Ham Dumb and wanting something
for
nothing?

Was it when they lowered the requirement to 5 wpm for all
license
classes? Speaking of 5wpm, were all Novices dumb and looking for
something for nothing? And were Generals and advanced just dumb enough,
and just looking for something for almost nothing?

I'm just about at the point of thinking that Morse CW use
*will*
increase after the test requirement goes away.

I wonder what type of antennas the new dumb hams will use -
just to
bring this on topic, since it's crossposted to an rraa.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA




Sure it will. I long ago promised I would have a QSO using CW if the test
was abolished. That's at least one additional QSO.

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Steven wrote:
If there's anything other than politics and Morse code to argue about,
especially in RRAP, it must be all the disgusting garbage offered by
the resident lunatics and the 45-year long rant that would even turn
the stomachs of the gay people they malign.

Certainly you have a thread about the best new gear that became
available this year or the best influence on the hobby.

At least I cannot get these "posters" if I read a printed radio
magazine.


It was crossposted with rec.radio.amateur.policy.
Whether you agree with it or not, there's nothing like an OT post to give
credibility (not) to the poster.
This comment was posted *separately* to the two NGs.
Bryan WA7PRC

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"merlin-7" wrote in message
...
Odd thing that happend in the uk after code was dropped...code useage went
up...
Joe

A rather odd statement.

How does one measure "code usage"?

It went "up" compared to what?

It went "up" according to one observer who somehow could simultaneously
monitor all bands everywhere in the UK? Do you also count the code usage of
DX stations communicating with all UK hams or do you only count the UK side
of the QSO's? What was the actual amount of code usage prior to and then
after the elimination of the requirement? How do you express a unit of code
usage? (dits + dahs)/sec/Hz * unit time?

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm

wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

I guess no one cares that Stefan come on here bitchin and moaning and
crying about the "dumbing down" of USA amateur radio, and he has no
apparent license.

How easily everyone gets fooled by these trolls.

Maybe he got his given name spelled wrong? Like "Steppin Wolfe?"
:-)
Maybe this Stefan is really Mikey Deignan trying to get some new
Club Calls to replace the ones taken away from him? :-)

[the "KH6" is now a resident of Bedford, MA...no longer having a
PO box in Hawaii courtesy of Jeff Herman]

Hmmm...whatever happened to Eric June, the self-appointed
president and director of "Know Code International?" :-)

Hey Len, you've been flaming code on these groups since at least 1996...I
can still remember when you got on the rec.radio groups the first time.
Somehow, as a brilliant electronics engineer you were never able to master
the skill of sending and receiving letters represented as dits and dahs and
this kept you off HF...but you always had vastly superior academic skills
in the field of RF that fact seemed to make the skill of simple Morse
communication seem so irrelevant in today's modern world.

Now you no longer need that skill and the doors have swung open. Does that
mean you will make yourself and your brilliant mind available to the
unwashed masses of hams who only know how to pound keys? Will you now be
getting your extra class and dazzling us with new ideas and inventions that
will forever modernize the amateur modes, you know, the sort of achievements
you always said would be possible if only they got rid of that nasty Morse
test?

We will all be waiting Len.

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Just one note...I passed my code test and have not used it since. I am not
saying that I will never use it. I just have not had any interest in it yet.
Does it make me a better ham haveing passed code?

Joe

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

"merlin-7" wrote in message
...
Just one note...I passed my code test and have not used it since. I am not
saying that I will never use it. I just have not had any interest in it
yet.
Does it make me a better ham haveing passed code?

Joe

Perhaps in some ways. Keep in mind that in having passed it, you now know
that you are able to learn this. Therefore should you wish to go further
with this aspect of amateur radio in the future, you will have the
confidence to tackle it and get it into usable shape. This gives you a
great advantage over those that listened to the bull about it being "too
hard" and thus were afraid to try and will probably continue to be afraid to
try.

Dee, N8UZE

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Stefan Wolfe wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm

wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

I guess no one cares that Stefan come on here bitchin and moaning and
crying about the "dumbing down" of USA amateur radio, and he has no
apparent license.

How easily everyone gets fooled by these trolls.

Maybe he got his given name spelled wrong? Like "Steppin Wolfe?"
:-)
Maybe this Stefan is really Mikey Deignan trying to get some new
Club Calls to replace the ones taken away from him? :-)

[the "KH6" is now a resident of Bedford, MA...no longer having a
PO box in Hawaii courtesy of Jeff Herman]

Hmmm...whatever happened to Eric June, the self-appointed
president and director of "Know Code International?" :-)

Hey Len, you've been flaming code on these groups since at least 1996...I
can still remember when you got on the rec.radio groups the first time.

No you can't. There was no Stefan Wolfe here in 1996. And there is no
amateur radio license issued to Stefan Wolfe.

Somehow, as a brilliant electronics engineer you were never able to master
the skill of sending and receiving letters represented as dits and dahs and
this kept you off HF...

Is that what's been keeping you off of HF? No license is issued to
Stefan Wolfe.

Odd, but Len has been on HF through SHF. All without code.

but you always had vastly superior academic skills
in the field of RF that fact seemed to make the skill of simple Morse
communication seem so irrelevant in today's modern world.

Len's knowledge of RF had nothing to do with it (sorry Len). Morse
Code became irrelevant all by itself.

Now you no longer need that skill and the doors have swung open. Does that
mean you will make yourself and your brilliant mind available to the
unwashed masses of hams

There are no unwashed masses of hams. Maybe there are a few
individuals at hamfests that might pay more attention to personal
hygeine, but no masses.

who only know how to pound keys?

Welp, there are a bunch who know how to pound their chests. That's
what the ARRL VP was saying when K4YZ attacked me.

Will you now be
getting your extra class and dazzling us with new ideas and inventions that
will forever modernize the amateur modes, you know, the sort of achievements
you always said would be possible if only they got rid of that nasty Morse
test?

How about if he does as much innovating as has N2EY, W3RV, K0HB, K8MN,
and K4YZ.

Hmmm? Did I leave Cecil off the list on purpose?

We will all be waiting Len.

We? You are trolls?

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merlin-7 wrote:
Just one note...I passed my code test and have not used it since. I am not
saying that I will never use it. I just have not had any interest in it yet.
Does it make me a better ham haveing passed code?

Joe

Joe, it doesn't. There are lots of 20WPM Code-Tape Extras - who've
never had a single CW contact in their lives and never will. If a ham
must be judged, judge him or her on their conduct and value that they
add to the service.

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Dee Flint wrote:
"merlin-7" wrote in message
...
Just one note...I passed my code test and have not used it since. I am not
saying that I will never use it. I just have not had any interest in it
yet.
Does it make me a better ham haveing passed code?

Joe

Perhaps in some ways. Keep in mind that in having passed it, you now know
that you are able to learn this. Therefore should you wish to go further
with this aspect of amateur radio in the future, you will have the
confidence to tackle it and get it into usable shape. This gives you a
great advantage over those that listened to the bull about it being "too
hard" and thus were afraid to try and will probably continue to be afraid to
try.

Dee, N8UZE

Then there's always the "bull" of people who learned it with difficulty.

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"merlin-7" wrote in message
...

Does it make me a better ham haveing passed code?

Of course, your question is rhetorical and nobody knows if you are a good
amateur, or a bad one, or what it might take to make you a better one.. Your
might be a 75m late night quarmer or you might have provided significant
radio communications for rescuers during the San Farncisco earthquake. Who
knows?

Passing the code test used to simply increase one's qualifications; it
obviously did not in itself make one a better practitioner of the service.
Now ,of course, passing code has no meaning at all; it is similar to Cecil
Moore having passed the mensa test.

Did passing mensa make Cecil a better engineer?

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

From: on Fri, Dec 29 2006 4:44 am

wrote:
From: on Thurs, Dec 28 2006 6:04 pm
wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

QRZ Search Results: There are 0 records matching +Stefan* +Wolfe*

I guess no one cares that Stefan come on here bitchin and moaning and
crying about the "dumbing down" of USA amateur radio, and he has no
apparent license.

How easily everyone gets fooled by these trolls.

Maybe he got his given name spelled wrong? Like "Steppin Wolfe?"
:-)

Very psychodelic. Don't get rug burns from the magic carpet ride.

Very psycho if you ask me... :-)


SAN FRANCISCO: It may be the ultimate SOS.

Morse Code is in distress.
......
......
While the decision had been expected, some ham radio operators fear that
their exclusive club has been opened to the unwashed masses
- and that the very survival of Morse Code is in question.
......
The demise of the Morse requirement, however,

There has never been any "Morse Requirement." No particular mode is
mandated.

That's right. And there's no requirement to get on the air once you do
have a license.

Horrors! Isn't Ham Radio ALL about "working DX on HF with CW?"

That's correct. Anything less than than just makes for a lesser ham.

Heh heh...durn near half of all US hams are "lesser" in that
case! ["lesser" in the eyes of the coded Elite...:-)]

Why...why...why one HAS to "get on the air" and "work" someone
by morsemanship! "Rite of passage" or some other BS myth...

One just "cannot" be a "ham" without "working someone with CW!"

:-)

"Hams of a Lesser God."

Obviously not of the Ruling Elite of the Acolytes of Hiram... :-)


could be a boon for ham radio
itself. After the FCC decision, demand for information
about radio licenses surged from about 200 in a typical weekend to about
500, according to the American Radio Relay League, an
organization representing ham radio operators.
......
"It's part of the dumbing down of America," said Nancy Kott, editor of World
Radio magazine

I suspect that Nancy is actually that grouchy Sterba, Kurt N.

I dunno. Kurt might be anybody.

Kurt Weil? Sterba, Kurtain? :-)

[author-composer of musical "Cabaret" and a famous old wire
antenna of large dimensions once used by the pros...]

A cranky (OM) who writes antenna books at World Radio.

Heh, heh, riiiight...he would be over 100 years then, no wonder
he would be cranky.


and a field representative for the
Centers for Disease of Control and Prevention in Metamora, Michigan.

I thought the CDC was in Atlanta and World Radio was in 6-land?

You're right.

Gosh, I thought "CDC" stood for Control Data Corporation...

Isn't Control Data defunct?

Only the Logo. With the corporations purchasing other corporations
in the electronics industry (as a whole), it has been difficult
keeping up with the new names in three decades. [it's been worse
in the microwave portion of the industry...]

However, hams who get their ONLY 'radio news' from ARRL wouldn't
know about such things. shrug


"We live in a society today that wants something for nothing."

The written exams are "nothing?"

That's exactly right. That's why it was so important to keep the Morse
Code exam, because the written exams are nothing.

Riiiiight...the ultimate, the ne plus ultra of "radio
operating" is sending-receiving morse code. :-)

Like ANY other radio service ever uses it nowadays for
communications...guffaw

Well, well, well....

Among the stodgy old morsemen, the mythos of morse is still
alive.


A female in a mostly male radio world, Kott is one of about 660,000 licensed
ham operators in the United States

Another "first."

Well, I dunno.

Nancy Kott is caught up in a "Nancy Kause" of Doing Something
To Preserve The Glory and Honor of Morsemanship."

A Priestess in the Church of St. Hiram?

A Sister, a Nun of the Above...[of the Code Cloister]

That "Kause" is doomed...

Maybe not doomed...

Maybe she's a Sara Jane Moore wannabe? A Lynette Frome wanabe?

[attempted assassins of Gerald Ford...]


and is the U.S.
leader of Fists CW Club, an organization that calls itself the International
Morse Preservation Society.

That would make it "IMPS." I thought it called itself "FISTS."

I guess no one wants to be called an "Imps."

"FISTS" carries the emotional baggage of Virility, Strength,
Force, and is very Manly. :-)

Hmmmm? I guess "IMPS" is "OUT."

Absolutely. In US ham radio all must be white male HETEROsexuals
who love honor and obey morse code.


Hmmm...that alone makes one wonder about Ms. Kott's motivation?

[now watch the response, Brian, Jimmie Noserve will be in here
with a "you're Wrong" and describe the origin of "FISTS" and
other assorted glories of morsemanship...as if He is the only
"smart" one and all no-coders are imbeciles]

Yep. and FISTicuffS was there in WWII helping the effort.

Riiiight...except that IN WWII the bulk of military messaging
was done by TTY, not by manual morse code.

Jimmie Noserve no wanna say that but it was true...but then
Jimmie never ever did serve in any US military of any kind,
not even in the government.


... So true, Ms. Kott...

I'm not so easily convinced, Stefan.

Maybe Stefan has some other words of wisdom?

Maybe that given name is a contraction of **** that hit the fan?

One can only wonder.

Maybe this Stefan is really Mikey Deignan trying to get some new
Club Calls to replace the ones taken away from him? :-)

The RF Commandos are missing in action, but they still have a Club Call
to come back to if they ever have another meeting.

Hot damn! "RF Commandos!" Force, strength, virility coming
out of every pore, J-38s at high port, conquering pileups at
every cue-so!


[the "KH6" is now a resident of Bedford, MA...no longer having a
PO box in Hawaii courtesy of Jeff Herman]

People who glom up exotic callsigns having never been to the
location...

"Book 'em, Danno!" :-)

Hmmm...whatever happened to Eric June, the self-appointed
president and director of "Know Code International?" :-)



I forgot all about him. And the other guy - Val Germann...

Google never forgets. Last night I did a quick copy of the
All-Time Posters on RRAP and here is what they had for 28
Dec 06:

K4YZ 11,945 [warrior of Seven Hostile Actions]
Cecil Moore 11,892
James Miccolis 8,836
Dick Carroll 7,091 [SK]
-me- 6,191
Eric June 5,434
David Heil 5,358
Ed Hare 5,253
Mark Morgan 4,633
James Rosenthal 4,286

Grand total of just the Top Ten: 73,919 posts!

Cecil has been in the newsgroup perhaps the longest, finally got
tired of it and went over to rec.radio.amateur.antenna. June,
Hare, and Rosenthal haven't been here for at least two years.
Major Dud finally grabbed more archive space than Cecil (which
was expected) even though he mainly talks about HIMSELF and his
mighty "military" service while personally insulting everyone
who dares disagree with him. :-)

73,

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"merlin-7" wrote:

Just one note...I passed my code test and have not used it since. I am not
saying that I will never use it. I just have not had any interest in it
yet.
Does it make me a better ham haveing passed code?

I wouldn't say it makes you a better ham for having passed the code test.

I would say it makes you a better ham because you are now familiar with
another operating mode commonly in use in the amateur radio service.

Likewise, I would make the same statement -- it makes you a better ham --
regardless of the mode of operation -- CW, SSB, FM, AM -- you name it.

Why? As an amateur, experience with ANY mode of operation, IMO, makes you a
"better" ham.

73
KH6HZ

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Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," accordingto CDC
 

wrote:
Cecil has been in the newsgroup perhaps the longest, finally got
tired of it and went over to rec.radio.amateur.antenna.

Actually, I was on both rrap and rraa. My
attitude has always been of a Libertarian
flavor - freedom of choice of modes in a
free market of modes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Code Free "It's part of the dumbing down of America," according to CDC
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Cecil has been in the newsgroup perhaps the longest, finally got
tired of it and went over to rec.radio.amateur.antenna.

Actually, I was on both rrap and rraa. My
attitude has always been of a Libertarian
flavor - freedom of choice of modes in a
free market of modes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Soon, Cecil, soon.