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Tom Ring February 13th 07 02:47 AM

killing cars with high RF?
 
KE5MBX wrote:

Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.


http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/

And you can easily do 200KM on 200 mW, or 1000 KM per watt with a Dish
Network (or equivalent) antenna on 10G SSB forward scatter.

tom
K0TAR

KE5MBX February 13th 07 04:30 AM

killing cars with high RF?
 
On Feb 12, 8:47 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
KE5MBX wrote:

Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.


http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/

And you can easily do 200KM on 200 mW, or 1000 KM per watt with a Dish
Network (or equivalent) antenna on 10G SSB forward scatter.

tom
K0TAR


so you don't go out and buy a "3cm transceiver" as you would for 2m,
10m, 40m, etc.?


Stefan Wolfe February 13th 07 04:44 AM

killing cars with high RF?
 

"KE5MBX" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 12, 8:47 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
KE5MBX wrote:

Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.


http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/

And you can easily do 200KM on 200 mW, or 1000 KM per watt with a Dish
Network (or equivalent) antenna on 10G SSB forward scatter.

tom
K0TAR


so you don't go out and buy a "3cm transceiver" as you would for 2m,
10m, 40m, etc.?


:-))



gwatts February 13th 07 12:04 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
KE5MBX wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:47 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
KE5MBX wrote:

Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.

http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/

And you can easily do 200KM on 200 mW, or 1000 KM per watt with a Dish
Network (or equivalent) antenna on 10G SSB forward scatter.

tom
K0TAR


so you don't go out and buy a "3cm transceiver" as you would for 2m,
10m, 40m, etc.?


You could,
http://www.advancedreceiver.com/page32.html


- Galen, W8LNA

David G. Nagel February 13th 07 02:39 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
KE5MBX wrote:
On Feb 12, 8:47 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
KE5MBX wrote:

Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.

http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/

And you can easily do 200KM on 200 mW, or 1000 KM per watt with a Dish
Network (or equivalent) antenna on 10G SSB forward scatter.

tom
K0TAR


so you don't go out and buy a "3cm transceiver" as you would for 2m,
10m, 40m, etc.?

Yes you can. Check the back of QST for a complete 3cm station. Cost is
about $500 or so.

Dave WD9BDZ

KE5MBX February 13th 07 03:25 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
On Feb 12, 10:44 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"KE5MBX" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Feb 12, 8:47 pm, Tom Ring wrote:
KE5MBX wrote:


Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.


http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/


And you can easily do 200KM on 200 mW, or 1000 KM per watt with a Dish
Network (or equivalent) antenna on 10G SSB forward scatter.


tom
K0TAR


so you don't go out and buy a "3cm transceiver" as you would for 2m,
10m, 40m, etc.?


:-))


"Yes you can. Check the back of QST for a complete 3cm station. Cost
is
about $500 or so. "

:-)) :-))


Scott February 13th 07 10:25 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
Think you meant "X" Band (10 GHz). I don't think many of us are using
x-rays for communications...

Scott
N0EDV

Stefan Wolfe wrote:

"KE5MBX" wrote in message
ups.com...

Hi,
What's all this business I hear people talking about blasting people's
car stereos or killing cars altogether with high-power RF? I run 2m,
10m, and 11m in my jeep and I'd like to sort out the fact from the
legend and find out what kind of power I can use without risking
damage to my jeep or cars around me. At what power level is front-end
overload to a nearby radio likely? At what power level is damage
likely, and to what componets?

I am currently using only 50 watts on a 5/8 wave (2m), 25w on a 1/4
wave (10m), legal 4w on a 1/4 wave (11m)

Thanks,
Nelson KE5MBX



I think over 100W you may have problems with HF and VHF. It can be a
problem.

One thing that works real well is to transmit near the x-ray radar band
where you have privileges. The traffic may slow down a bit as you set off
the radar detectors :-)



Scott February 13th 07 10:27 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
I've heard that as well with Japanese cars. I think the computer gets
RFI'd out and shuts down the ignition system. Maybe something for the
Mythbusters TV show to check out...

Scott



Cecil Moore wrote:

Stefan Wolfe wrote:

One thing that works real well is to transmit near the x-ray radar
band where you have privileges. The traffic may slow down a bit as you
set off the radar detectors :-)



A number of years ago (I forget exactly what year) a
ham friend of mine discovered that he could cause a
new Cadillac to stall simply by keying his transmitter
as the Cadillac was passing his camper. That design
problem was probably fixed rather quickly.


Scott February 13th 07 10:29 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
Oh, that's an easy one...(Gunnplexers come to mind for a simple CW 3cm
transmitter)

http://www.downeastmicrowave.com or http://www.shfmicro.com and there
are probably a few others...

Scott
N0EDV

KE5MBX wrote:

On Feb 12, 5:50 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:

"KE5MBX" wrote in message

roups.com...


Hi,
What's all this business I hear people talking about blasting people's
car stereos or killing cars altogether with high-power RF? I run 2m,
10m, and 11m in my jeep and I'd like to sort out the fact from the
legend and find out what kind of power I can use without risking
damage to my jeep or cars around me. At what power level is front-end
overload to a nearby radio likely? At what power level is damage
likely, and to what componets?


I am currently using only 50 watts on a 5/8 wave (2m), 25w on a 1/4
wave (10m), legal 4w on a 1/4 wave (11m)


Thanks,
Nelson KE5MBX


I think over 100W you may have problems with HF and VHF. It can be a
problem.

One thing that works real well is to transmit near the x-ray radar band
where you have privileges. The traffic may slow down a bit as you set off
the radar detectors :-)



Where the heck do you get a 3cm transmitter, though? ha.


Scott February 13th 07 10:44 PM

killing cars with high RF?
 
Uh, not quite. While the X Band police radars are at 10.525 GHz, the
ham band is only from 10.000 to 10.500 GHz. Plus, pulse modulation is
not allowed on the 3cm band. We CAN use MCW, phone, image, RTTY, data,
SS, and test modulations. Hmmm, I wonder about plain old vanilla CW???
I don't see it mentioned...maybe "data" covers that nowadays (and with
a bandwidth limit of 100 KHz, we could smoke along at a LOT of WPM!!).

Scott
N0EDV

wrote:





10.525 GHz is an amateur band, and is the same band used by the X-band
radars, and transmitters are readily available for $100. Gunnplexers
are one example, but people also use modified "microwave door openers"
to experiment in X band.




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