Peter wrote:
Just what the Global Warming Paranoia brigade are doing these days
with their climatic change modelling software!!!

Wonder what caused the Global Warming trend that
began 140,000 years ago and eventually resulted
in temperatures a lot higher than today?

Wonder what triggered the present Global Warming
trend that started 20,000 years ago? Caveman
campfires?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

wrote:

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Dweeb? Jim, are you looking in a mirror while typing your posts?


Definitions of "scientific theory" on the Web:

* An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon
occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories may
be redefined as new hypotheses are tested. Examples of theories:
Newton’s Theory of Gravitation, Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, Mendel’s
theory of Inheritance, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.
www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/res/res-glossary.html

* A hypothesis that is widely accepted by the scientific community.
www.ametsoc.org/amsedu/WES/glossary.html

* a statement that postulates ordered relationships among natural
phenomena.
farahsouth.cgu.edu/dictionary/

* The most logical explanation of why things work the way they do.
A theory is a former hypothesis that has been tested with repeated
experiments and observations and found always to work.
jmsscienceweb.tripod.com/vocabulary.htm

* A body of knowledge using controlled-variable experimental
methods to construct a formal and mathematically structured system. It
studies the character of natural reality. Scientific Management (6).
System of management popular in the first decades of the 20th c.
Proponants sought to transform industry, government and society through
greater efficiency. Utilizes top-down approach.
http://www.udmercy.edu/faculty_pages.../glossary.html

* a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific
theories must be falsifiable"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* The word theory has a number distinct meanings depending on the
context.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

JS
--
http://assemblywizard.tekcities.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Peter wrote:
Just what the Global Warming Paranoia brigade are doing these days
with their climatic change modelling software!!!

Wonder what caused the Global Warming trend that
began 140,000 years ago and eventually resulted
in temperatures a lot higher than today?

Wonder what triggered the present Global Warming
trend that started 20,000 years ago? Caveman
campfires?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Algore and socialist liberal leaches looking for new "crisis" so they can
justify and fool sheeple into submitting to crazy measures and spending
money.

Any ham knows that we are on the mercy of Ol Sun which supplies us with
warmth and light and has its moods, periods and we can't do a shing about
it.

Hey Algore! See the temperature differences day/night, summer/winter? What
causes it? CO2 or Sun's generosity?

Global Scam of all times. Not even antenna optimizers or Gausian gizmos can
do a thing about it. As soon as Algore got his Ossskar, God blew wave of
cold to show him who is in charge :-)

73 and keep breathing out CO2 and step on the gas of your SUV, plants love
it!

Yuri, K3BU.us

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:
Any ham knows that we are on the mercy of Ol Sun which supplies us with
warmth and light and has its moods, periods and we can't do a shing about
it.

Apparently the Martians also have too many SUVs
since the Martian polar cap is shrinking.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote in
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Global Scam of all times. Not even antenna optimizers or Gausian
gizmos can do a thing about it. As soon as Algore got his Ossskar, God
blew wave of cold to show him who is in charge :-)


So let me get this straight, Yuri,

A cold snap in your neighborhood means that Global warming is
invalid?

I always offer this challenge:


A number of gaseous components naturally occurring in the
atmosphere have an effect that tends to retain heat. These are
collectively referred to as greenhouse gases. That paragraph is a fact.
It has been experimentally proven.

Through various methods, the amount of at least one of those gases
has increased significantly since the beginning of the industrial age.
That is a measurable fact.

note: there have been some fairly dramatic increases in other gases
that are much more "actice" in heat retention, like methane. Let's ignore
them for the purposes of this argument.

Give me a compelling and scientific reason why proven scientific
facts are not having a measurable effect on the earth's temperature. Then
invalidate the apparent measured effects that would tend to support the
warming. I am willing to abandon the thought of global warming if someone
can give me a real and non-political argument.

Of course, that means no offhand remarks about Left wingers,
commies, or the usual suspect trotted out as some kind of "proof" that
satisfies only those who get their science news from AM radio talkshow
hosts.

From a right-winger who looks beyond the politics.


(p.s. no one has done it yet)

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Cecil Moore wrote in news:F1pIh.9068$jx3.404
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:

Peter wrote:
Just what the Global Warming Paranoia brigade are doing these days
with their climatic change modelling software!!!

Wonder what caused the Global Warming trend that
began 140,000 years ago and eventually resulted
in temperatures a lot higher than today?

Wonder what triggered the present Global Warming
trend that started 20,000 years ago? Caveman
campfires?

Hardly likely Cecil. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has varied
quite a bit over time. Lot's of sources of it, and lots of sources of
other greenhouse gases.

Certainly the Deccan Traps indicate that volcanic activity likely
had some effect on CO2 atmospheric content. That was quite a bit before
140,00 years ago.

The sun itself undergoes some variability. It is likely that many
things contribute to temperature variations.

Human effects would hardly have made any impact before our
population growth and inadvertant release of greenhouse gases did start
to have that impact.

Let me ask a question of the doubters. Say that a new ice age came
about. Say that Canada and much of the north were starting to freeze
over. In the sothern Hemisphere, the same was happening. All this was
meaning that Humanity was going to loook at a huge die off, as useable
land were to shrink, and the present population became unsupportable.

But perhaps a way out was available. Burning as much carbon based
fuels as possible would possibly raise global temperatures some. Perhaps
land at the fringes would become able to support agriculture again,
instead of being glaciated. Perhaps more humans could be saved.

Would that be okay then? Would it be worth the effort? Or should we
just die off because it was a liberal plot? ;^)

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On 9 Mar, 20:20, John Smith I wrote:
wrote:

...

Dweeb? Jim, are you looking in a mirror while typing your posts?

Definitions of "scientific theory" on the Web:

* An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon
occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories may
be redefined as new hypotheses are tested. Examples of theories:
Newton's Theory of Gravitation, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Mendel's
theory of Inheritance, Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/res/res-glossary.html

* A hypothesis that is widely accepted by the scientific community.
www.ametsoc.org/amsedu/WES/glossary.html

* a statement that postulates ordered relationships among natural
phenomena.
farahsouth.cgu.edu/dictionary/

* The most logical explanation of why things work the way they do.
A theory is a former hypothesis that has been tested with repeated
experiments and observations and found always to work.
jmsscienceweb.tripod.com/vocabulary.htm

* A body of knowledge using controlled-variable experimental
methods to construct a formal and mathematically structured system. It
studies the character of natural reality. Scientific Management (6).
System of management popular in the first decades of the 20th c.
Proponants sought to transform industry, government and society through
greater efficiency. Utilizes top-down approach.
http://www.udmercy.edu/faculty_pages.../glossary.html

* a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific
theories must be falsifiable"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* The word theory has a number distinct meanings depending on the
context.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

JS
--http://assemblywizard.tekcities.com

Jim, your point is excellent. Amateurs would be hard put to design an
efficient radiator array using known electrical laws as stated by
Maxwell. Imagine trying to design a yagi antenna using only Maxwells
observations
instead of the 'suck it and see' empirical methods used today. Known
electrical laws are simplicity in themselves usually just a paragragh
in length, could you supply the same for the Yagi? As I have stated
earlier the Yagi put antenna design back by over half a century since
it diverted thinking though around known electrical laws to taking the
easy empirical way out.
Art

On 25 Mar 2007 19:47:09 -0700, "art" wrote:

the Yagi put antenna design back by over half a century

What a curious statement. The Yagi was invented when the science of
antennas was barely 20 years along. By art's accuracy in perverse
ungineering, the Yagi threw us back into the era of wired telegraphy
and semaphore.

Anyone want to ruminate on the absurdities of watching "I love Lucy"
reruns through Western Union telegrams? Flip through 525 quickly to
see one frame, but don't look at the bill at the commercial break! ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC