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On 17 Mar, 20:41, Owen Duffy wrote:
"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote
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I realized that Yagi has low impedance and I generally do not like any
matching and introducing unnecessary loses. The way for maximum gain,
clean pattern, great F/B, 50 ohm feedpoint impedance and no matching
gizmos to me was to go Quad and Quad/Yagi element combinations. Quads
have higher impedance and by adding elements, the impedance would drop
to around 50 ohms.

Yuri, that is your approach, but it is not the only one.

Others of us quantify the expected transformation losses, and add them
into
the gain equation to deal with the effects, making a design selection on
a
rational basis rather that just excluding a whole bunch of solutions
because of a prejudice about matching loss.

Owen


Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance for all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

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Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance for all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

OK, genius, what is POLARITY and how did we manage to ignore it over the
century plus of fiddling with antennas?
I promise to always use PLUS or POSITIVE polarity, never to engage any
NEGATIVE, which would be detrimental to Gaussian jambalaya.

Yuri, K3BU

On 2 Apr, 07:54, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message
Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance for all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

OK, genius, what is POLARITY and how did we manage to ignore it over the
century plus of fiddling with antennas?
I promise to always use PLUS or POSITIVE polarity, never to engage any
NEGATIVE, which would be detrimental to Gaussian jambalaya.

Yuri, K3BU

Yuri, If you don't understand the foibles of polarization then the
search
for gain alone is pointless

"art" wrote in message
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On 2 Apr, 07:54, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message
Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance for all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

OK, genius, what is POLARITY and how did we manage to ignore it over the
century plus of fiddling with antennas?
I promise to always use PLUS or POSITIVE polarity, never to engage any
NEGATIVE, which would be detrimental to Gaussian jambalaya.

Yuri, K3BU

Yuri, If you don't understand the foibles of polarization then the
search
for gain alone is pointless


Bunch of hooey! Have you heard of moonbounce and satellite antennas?

Art, if you can't read or you don't know what you write, then your
"communicating" here is pointless.

You wrote and queried POLARITY and you "don't understand me" with
POLARIZATION. Elementary my dear Watson!

I have doubts that you really understand antenna polarization, pattern
forming, ground effects and reality of RF signals propagating and antenna
role in their generation and interception.

Yuri, K3BU.us

On 2 Apr, 10:45, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 2 Apr, 07:54, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message
Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance for all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

OK, genius, what is POLARITY and how did we manage to ignore it over the
century plus of fiddling with antennas?
I promise to always use PLUS or POSITIVE polarity, never to engage any
NEGATIVE, which would be detrimental to Gaussian jambalaya.

Yuri, K3BU

Yuri, If you don't understand the foibles of polarization then the
search
for gain alone is pointless

Bunch of hooey! Have you heard of moonbounce and satellite antennas?

Art, if you can't read or you don't know what you write, then your
"communicating" here is pointless.

You wrote and queried POLARITY and you "don't understand me" with
POLARIZATION. Elementary my dear Watson!

I have doubts that you really understand antenna polarization, pattern
forming, ground effects and reality of RF signals propagating and antenna
role in their generation and interception.

Yuri, K3BU.us- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Fine, thus there is no need for you to ask questions of me. You can go
back to the previous posting from which this question arose and ask
your questions of Owen. He is one of the most knoweledgable persons in
the bunch
and he responded to you.
Art

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On 2 Apr, 10:45, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 2 Apr, 07:54, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message
Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much
weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance for
all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with
respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most
ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

OK, genius, what is POLARITY and how did we manage to ignore it over
the
century plus of fiddling with antennas?
I promise to always use PLUS or POSITIVE polarity, never to engage any
NEGATIVE, which would be detrimental to Gaussian jambalaya.

Yuri, K3BU

Yuri, If you don't understand the foibles of polarization then the
search
for gain alone is pointless

Bunch of hooey! Have you heard of moonbounce and satellite antennas?

Art, if you can't read or you don't know what you write, then your
"communicating" here is pointless.

You wrote and queried POLARITY and you "don't understand me" with
POLARIZATION. Elementary my dear Watson!

I have doubts that you really understand antenna polarization, pattern
forming, ground effects and reality of RF signals propagating and antenna
role in their generation and interception.

Yuri, K3BU.us- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Fine, thus there is no need for you to ask questions of me. You can go
back to the previous posting from which this question arose and ask
your questions of Owen. He is one of the most knoweledgable persons in
the bunch
and he responded to you.
Art


I asked about POLARITY you mentioned and you answer with crapola.
If you don't know difference between polarity and polarization, or between
reflector and director, then your confusing ramblings are just that.

Sayonara!

We sorted out Owens comments in case you are behind reading.

73 Yuri, K3BU

"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote in message
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"art" wrote in message
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On 2 Apr, 10:45, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 2 Apr, 07:54, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"art" wrote in message
Owen
I agree. Amateurs and probably some professionals place to much
weight
on total antenna gain as opposed to maximum gain of the required
polarity and frankly polarity is always of primary importance
for
all
antennas. This rationality also include the attainment of less
required compromises with other factors when dealing with
bandwidth
(per the above comments referncing matching.) Compromises with
respect
to the design of yagi antennas is extensively described in most
ARRL
publications and are best avoided.
Art

OK, genius, what is POLARITY and how did we manage to ignore it over
the
century plus of fiddling with antennas?
I promise to always use PLUS or POSITIVE polarity, never to engage
any
NEGATIVE, which would be detrimental to Gaussian jambalaya.

Yuri, K3BU

Yuri, If you don't understand the foibles of polarization then the
search
for gain alone is pointless

Bunch of hooey! Have you heard of moonbounce and satellite antennas?

Art, if you can't read or you don't know what you write, then your
"communicating" here is pointless.

You wrote and queried POLARITY and you "don't understand me" with
POLARIZATION. Elementary my dear Watson!

I have doubts that you really understand antenna polarization, pattern
forming, ground effects and reality of RF signals propagating and
antenna
role in their generation and interception.

Yuri, K3BU.us- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Fine, thus there is no need for you to ask questions of me. You can go
back to the previous posting from which this question arose and ask
your questions of Owen. He is one of the most knoweledgable persons in
the bunch
and he responded to you.
Art


I asked about POLARITY you mentioned and you answer with crapola.
If you don't know difference between polarity and polarization, or between
reflector and director, then your confusing ramblings are just that.

Sayonara!

We sorted out Owens comments in case you are behind reading.

73 Yuri, K3BU

"Yuri Blanarovich" wrote in message
...


Art, if you can't read or you don't know what you write, then your
"communicating" here is pointless.

You wrote and queried POLARITY and you "don't understand me" with
POLARIZATION. Elementary my dear Watson!

I have doubts that you really understand antenna polarization, pattern
forming, ground effects and reality of RF signals propagating and antenna
role in their generation and interception.

Yuri, K3BU.us



Sorry for the previous blank reply posting.

A polarization story, if I may. At Field Day a few years ago, I decided to
try a few 446 MHz calls to add to the fifty-some 2m QSOs I had logged. I
got bupkus for an hour's work. I tried a local repeater and got a similar
nothing, so I concluded my radio had quit. No, I had the yagi antenna
horizontal. I had been playing at home with UHF TV and I simply translated
the orientation of the TV yagis to my 70cm yagi. Dumb! Everything was fine
except for my being cross-polarized with the rest of the 70cm FM universe.

I understand that SSB'ers are horizontal on VHF/UHF; if I ever get an
allmode, I'll have to remember that.