In persuit of the BPL issue, I have explored small untuned loops for
field strength measurement.

Comparison of a loop calibrated to an NEC2 model to a commercial loop
with traceable calibration was very encouraging.

Constructors would like to use insulated wire for such a loop, and that
raises the question of the effect of insulation on the Antenna Factor.

My guess is that where the loop is small, current is uniform and the
effect of a slightly different phase shift around the loop due to the
insulation would be very small. That would be less so at frequencies
approaching the first resonance of the loop.

My understanding is that NEC4 might provide a good estimate of the
difference between insulated and uninsulated wire. I don't have NEC4 and
am looking for someone who might be prepared to run a bunch of models for
me in batch mode. I would supply the model decks and a batch file to run
them, my volunteer would need to run the batch file and zip the output
files up and mail them back to me for analysis.

My intention is to produce the same data that is plotted at
http://www.vk1od.net/SmallUntunedSquareLoop/ssulNEC.htm for each loop,
and to plot the dB difference vs frequency to infer some general guidance
on loop sizes where conductor insulation becomes significant to Antenna
Factor.

Comments / volunteers?

Owen

owen at vk1od.net

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:22:40 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:

My understanding is that NEC4 might provide a good estimate of the
difference between insulated and uninsulated wire. I don't have NEC4 and
am looking for someone who might be prepared to run a bunch of models for
me in batch mode. I would supply the model decks and a batch file to run
them, my volunteer would need to run the batch file and zip the output
files up and mail them back to me for analysis.

EZNEC, the free version, supports insulated wire - unless you want to
bury it.

Richard Clark wrote in
:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:22:40 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:

My understanding is that NEC4 might provide a good estimate of the
difference between insulated and uninsulated wire. I don't have NEC4
and am looking for someone who might be prepared to run a bunch of
models for me in batch mode. I would supply the model decks and a
batch file to run them, my volunteer would need to run the batch file
and zip the output files up and mail them back to me for analysis.

EZNEC, the free version, supports insulated wire - unless you want to
bury it.


Thanks.

No, I did not want to bury the loop.

My version of EZNEC (a pay for version) appears not to model insulation.

Owen

Owen Duffy wrote:

My version of EZNEC (a pay for version) appears not to model insulation.

You have v. 3.0. Wire insulation was one of the features added at v. 4.0.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Roy Lewallen wrote in news:130125qpgle3i23
@corp.supernews.com:

Owen Duffy wrote:

My version of EZNEC (a pay for version) appears not to model insulation.

You have v. 3.0. Wire insulation was one of the features added at v. 4.0.

Yes, that is correct.

Where V4 uses the NEC2 engine, is insulation modelled the same way as in
NEC4? If not, is the accuracy comparable?

Owen

The EZNEC insulation modeling method is basically similar to that used
by NEC-4, but different. The accuracy is comparable. Both programs
(EZNEC and NEC-4) are accurate only for thin layers of material with
relatively low conductivity and permittivity, i.e., like typical wire
insulation. But since the typical change in effective wire length is
only on the order of 3% or so, high accuracy isn't required.

I believe I recall your mentioning a multi-turn loop in an earlier
posting. The insulation feature in these programs doesn't model the
effect of insulation between wires, which might be an important factor
for a multi-turn loop. It only models the effect of the insulation on
the wire's self impedance. So use with care.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Owen Duffy wrote:
Roy Lewallen wrote in news:130125qpgle3i23
@corp.supernews.com:

Owen Duffy wrote:
My version of EZNEC (a pay for version) appears not to model insulation.
You have v. 3.0. Wire insulation was one of the features added at v. 4.0.

Yes, that is correct.

Where V4 uses the NEC2 engine, is insulation modelled the same way as in
NEC4? If not, is the accuracy comparable?

Owen