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How do I break it to the neighbors
I moved here about seven months ago. There is not HOA, but some neighbors
are rather sensitive to how others keep their property in our modest street of 34 homes on lots about 70 x 120. I just upgraded to General. So far, I've got a 40m dipole that is just strung across the back of the roof, but I plan to string it between a tree and the chimney when I get a chance. I would appreciate your ideas on how to calm down neighbors that might be worried about RF interference, appearance, and property value. GM |
How do I break it to the neighbors
I moved here about seven months ago. There is not HOA, but some neighbors are rather sensitive to how others keep their property in our modest street of 34 homes on lots about 70 x 120. I just upgraded to General. So far, I've got a 40m dipole that is just strung across the back of the roof, but I plan to string it between a tree and the chimney when I get a chance. I would appreciate your ideas on how to calm down neighbors that might be worried about RF interference, appearance, and property value. Do they know you're a ham? If not, you could just say its an SWL antenna. or you could use as small wire as possible to make it fairly invisible. Not sure what you can do about the feedline, though, for invisibility... or you could try to put the feedpoint somewhere near an object that could hide or mask it. I situations like yours, some sort of vertical might be better.... I wish you luck. I know there are many things I haven't thought of that may work for you. Ed K7AAT |
How do I break it to the neighbors
. So far, I've got a 40m dipole that is just strung across the back of the roof, but I plan to string it between a tree and the chimney when I get a chance. I would appreciate your ideas on how to calm down neighbors that might be worried about RF interference, appearance, and property value. A friggin' WIRE ??? Wow your neighbors are one step away from the funny farm, aren't they? Paranoia-ville, USA. Ok, here's what you do, get a picure of a tower farm (check on the web, maybe W0AIH is a good place to start, or try any of the big dxers listings on QRZ.com). Then tell your neighbors (only if they ask, don't go looking for trouble!!) you are thinking of a nice 80 ft tower/beam, but if the dipole works ok you will probably just keep it. However, if there are any interference complaints you will put up the tower to "get the antenna up and away from their houses." And tell them if there are any complaints about a friggin' piece of WIRE then what have you got to lose by putting up the beam anyway? Keep in mind - you only live once. Who do you want to be happy in your paranoid neighborhood, you or your lousy neighbors? Rick K2XT |
How do I break it to the neighbors
Keep in mind - you only live once. Who do you want to be happy in your paranoid neighborhood, you or your lousy neighbors? Rick K2XT Rick, sometimes the two do not go hand in hand. If you want to be happy, sometimes you need keep your neighbors happy, too. Neighbors can make your life hell if you allow the relationship to deteriorate to that point. Whether or not you are right or wrong, one really doesn't need to make enemies of those who live close by. Ed K7AAT |
How do I break it to the neighbors
Rick, sometimes the two do not go hand in hand. If you want to be happy, sometimes you need keep your neighbors happy, too. Ed - So you sit there with happy neighbors, huh? And with your ham rig with no antenna. Some friends those neighbors are. So if they are really worth having as friends they won't give you trouble about a silly wire running off your roof. Rick |
How do I break it to the neighbors
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How do I break it to the neighbors
Use of thin wire or wire, maybe with suitably colored insulation or
spray paint, should help hide it. If they don't see you install it it may take weeks for them to notice it. That failure to notice immediately would go a long way toward countering how big an eyesore it really is. Andy adds: Well, I don't have neighbors but I have a wife who does not see the existence of outside antennae as an art form. We just moved into a new house 2 years ago, and recently I decided to get all the ham gear working again...... I put the dipoles, and a 2 meter gnd plane, in my attic near the top of the roofline on the inside. They work just fine, low SWR, and receive and transmit well...... Being under a half inch of plywood doesn't alter the characteristics significantly. If your roof line will accommodate this, it is a thought.... Also, rather than dipoles, a loaded flagpole or TV antenna mast would be another option..... No way your neighbors could possibly be as picky as my wife....... I realize that there may be a difference of opinion about mounting an antenna in the attic versus on top of the roof, but I've never been able to tell any difference in performance for dipoles and gnd planes.... The measure I use is : " When the H F antenna is connected to the receiver input, if the ambient noise level rises appreciably, the antenna is working just fine ( noise level is due to the cosmos and not receiver generated) " Andy W4OAH |
How do I break it to the neighbors
"garlicman" None wrote in message . .. I moved here about seven months ago. There is not HOA, but some neighbors are rather sensitive to how others keep their property in our modest street of 34 homes on lots about 70 x 120. I just upgraded to General. So far, I've got a 40m dipole that is just strung across the back of the roof, but I plan to string it between a tree and the chimney when I get a chance. I would appreciate your ideas on how to calm down neighbors that might be worried about RF interference, appearance, and property value. Reverse psychology. You make sure they're glad you're a ham. You help one neighbor correctly wire an outside GFCI receptacle because you know how and he doesn't (and he's already tripped the branch breaker six times with his attempts); you give another neighbor your old CB antenna for his boat (and you were done with it, anyway); you put an F-series connector on a piece of RG-6 so the next neighbor can hook up her cable modem in a new room (and she's a babe, too); you reflow the solder pads on a PC-mount RCA jack because your neighbor's kid keeps pushing the plug of his video game into the TV too hard (three times so far -- last time I gave it back with two short pigtail jumpers so he wouldn't do it again.). Four neighbors, four stories, all true and there are more. Heck, I could put an air-search radar antenna on my roof and they wouldn't say anything! |
How do I break it to the neighbors
"Jim Higgins" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:15:17 -0700, "garlicman" None wrote: I moved here about seven months ago. There is not HOA, but some neighbors are rather sensitive to how others keep their property in our modest street of 34 homes on lots about 70 x 120. I just upgraded to General. So far, I've got a 40m dipole that is just strung across the back of the roof, but I plan to string it between a tree and the chimney when I get a chance. I would appreciate your ideas on how to calm down neighbors that might be worried about RF interference, appearance, and property value. Worries by the neighbors about possible interference in advance of actual interference are not a good reason to abandon your plans unless your allergy to pollen is a good reason for your neighbors not to plant that new flower bed or other flowering shrub or perhaps even to cut their grass while you're outside. And of course your wife's migraine condition requires they cut their lawn while she is at work or shopping, never on a weekend when she is home to hear the noise that aggravates her condition. Likewise the noise of the power saw used by your neighbor for his woodworking hobby is annoying to the peaceful enjoyment of your property and must be curtailed. I'm not talking confrontation here, just matter of fact casual conversation without any demands, but every bit of it designed to balance any picky complaints about your simple dipole with equally trivial and inconvenient concerns of your own that require lifestyle changes by your neighbors. Actually I think we're both jumping the gun because I don't see where your neighbors have complained yet. Hopefully you're just over-anticipating their reaction. Use of thin wire or wire, maybe with suitably colored insulation or spray paint, should help hide it. If they don't see you install it it may take weeks for them to notice it. That failure to notice immediately would go a long way toward countering how big an eyesore it really is. Good luck. Thanks for all the advice. I haven't received any comments from the wire laying on my roof yet. Several neighbors already know I'm a ham and have no problem. I've told them about how I can really help out during an big emergency. The two most uptight residents (one across the street and one next door) are planning on selling their places this summer. I figure if I can get a wire in the air, I can always tell the new occupants, "I've had antennas up since before you moved in." I do like the idea of being the neighborhood fix-it guy. I want to spread goodwill, not spite. They all know that I am a beekeeper (no hives on the property), and will take care of any wasp problems they have. Getting rid of a bald-faced hornets nest earns some big respect from the neighborhood boys. More so when I don't wear the white suit! Also, we're having more young families (like mine) move in. It would be nice to build some interest among the young boys. Right now the only interest my 8 and 6-year old boys have is playing with the FRS. I'm in no rush. |
How do I break it to the neighbors
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:15:17 -0700, "garlicman" None wrote:
I moved here about seven months ago. There is not HOA, but some neighbors are rather sensitive to how others keep their property in our modest street of 34 homes on lots about 70 x 120. I just upgraded to General. So far, I've got a 40m dipole that is just strung across the back of the roof, but I plan to string it between a tree and the chimney when I get a chance. I would appreciate your ideas on how to calm down neighbors that might be worried about RF interference, appearance, and property value. GM Have the neighbors actually said anything? If not, don't worry about it and enjoy. -- 73 for now Buck, N4PGW www.lumpuckeroo.com |
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