Cecil Moore wrote:

Jim Kelley wrote:

I was therefore surprised when you reported something other than a
straight line for the current amplitude along the radiator (let alone
an increase at some point).


Just proves that you are not omniscient.

I doubt that proof of that is actually required. In fact, I think
you'll find that to be true in general for other people as well.


For the Nth time, please read and
understand the IEEE white paper at:

http://www.ttr.com/TELSIKS2001-MASTER-1.pdf

University of Yugoslavia. Yeah, sure thing. Whether it's valid or
not, I'm not convinced that's what you have in your EZNEC printout.
And unless Roy accounts for "current pileup", it's unlikely that it
would show up there.

73, AC6XG

"Jim Kelley" wrote in message
...

University of Yugoslavia. Yeah, sure thing. .....

What's that supposed to mean?
If it is not overpriced American Liberal Alma Mater then is "Yeah"????

Nikola Tesla did more for the mankind than anyone produced by US colleges.
Quite an insult to thousands of Slavic engineers immigrants who built IBMs,
GMs, etc.

Can we discuss technical matters or rather play know-it-alls gurus?
Can you point out what is wrong with that paper?

73 Yuri, oK3BU

On May 7, 7:26 pm, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"Jim Kelley" wrote in message

If it is not overpriced American Liberal Alma Mater then is "Yeah"????

You make a good point.

Nikola Tesla did more for the mankind than anyone produced by US colleges.

Let's not get carried away. And I don't think Tesla was from
Yugoslavia.

Quite an insult to thousands of Slavic engineers immigrants who built IBMs,
GMs, etc.

No insult to them was ever intended. They didn't write the paper by
any chance....??

Can we discuss technical matters or rather play know-it-alls gurus?
Can you point out what is wrong with that paper?

I wish I understood this obsession you and Cecil have with gurus. I
don't share it.

About the paper; do you believe everything you read in the papers?
As I said, whether it is correct or not, I don't think it is
illustrated in Cecil's EZNEC printout.

73, Jim AC6XG

"Jim Kelley" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 7, 7:26 pm, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:
"Jim Kelley" wrote in message

If it is not overpriced American Liberal Alma Mater then is "Yeah"????

You make a good point.

Nikola Tesla did more for the mankind than anyone produced by US
colleges.

Let's not get carried away. And I don't think Tesla was from
Yugoslavia.


He was born in Smiljan Lika, Serbia, Yugoslavia, studied at Carl University
in Prague. People know more about tinkerer Edison, than about greatest
engineering genius who gave us AC and so much.

Quite an insult to thousands of Slavic engineers immigrants who built
IBMs,
GMs, etc.

No insult to them was ever intended. They didn't write the paper by
any chance....??


Seemed to me implied: "Yeah" = mickey-mouse universities in Yugoslavia (or
Eastern Eu). For your information and based on my experience, Eu
Universities have much more rigorous programs and theoretical depth than
NA-U. When I was working for Big Blue, about half of the bright engineers
were graduates from Eastern Europe (post war imigration).

Can we discuss technical matters or rather play know-it-alls gurus?
Can you point out what is wrong with that paper?

I wish I understood this obsession you and Cecil have with gurus. I
don't share it.


It is more like reaction to people who are sometimes wrong and chime in on a
subject with: "hey stupid, it can't be" - parading as omnipotent gurus,
instead of asking questions and discussing the matter inteligently and
either defending their position or admitting that maybe we were not so
stupid and they COULD be wrong, and learn and get better.

What we perceive as "gurus" here, is a type of person who is wrong about the
subject, tends to get riding on a high horse putting down the opposition,
sometimes ridiculing and close minded to any, even elaborate explanation or
reasoning. Typically "guru" wants to have their last "right" word, even if
realizing that maybe they were wrong, never admitting or giving credit where
is due.

Looks like too much Woodstock generation getting into engineering and
forcing their "truth" to be the only one standing (Global Warming). If often
enough repeated in politics, it catches on with halfbright worshippers, but
has no place in science. Reality trumps theory, regardless who is trumpeting
it.

I am sorry that sometimes I get provoked and fire back in a like manner, but
when someone is trying to convince me that RF is behaving like DC current,
when I got burned my fingers on the bottom of the loading coil, then I just
react in kind.

About the paper; do you believe everything you read in the papers?
As I said, whether it is correct or not, I don't think it is
illustrated in Cecil's EZNEC printout.


If it is New York Times, definitely not. Technical papers? I would read them
carefully, take them with grain of salt, and if important to me, try to
understand it and I would verify it if possible.

Even if sometimes discussions get tangled here, because some just can't, or
don't want to get it, I am gratefull to those involved, because they bring
some points, that I would have not paid attention to and missed important
link in the chain of knowledge on the subject.

Another outcome is, that some subjects in current literature are not all
that properly described and warrant more detailed explanation and proof to
get corrected, and some discussions here shed some light at it and
highlinght need for more down to earth tutorial to set the record straight.

73, Jim AC6XG


73 Yuri, oK3BU

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:
What we perceive as "gurus" here, is a type of person who is wrong about the
subject, tends to get riding on a high horse putting down the opposition,
sometimes ridiculing and close minded to any, even elaborate explanation or
reasoning.

What really gets my dander up are the gurus who use their
respected guru status to mount ad hominem attacks against
someone who they know is technically correct. In my book,
that is unethical behavior.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:

What really gets my dander up are the gurus who use their
respected guru status to mount ad hominem attacks against
someone who they know is technically correct. In my book,
that is unethical behavior.

Cecil:

Which definition of Guru comes closest to your implied meaning:
(BTW, I think your use of "guru" is well justified)

# (Literally the word guru means teacher) Second level of its meaning is
that the guru is a spiritual leader, a saint, a Enlightener. GU
(darkness) RU (light); One who brings light into darkness. A teacher..
However, the meaning of the word Guru in Sikh terminology is at a
further higher level, and it stands for the 'prophet'.
www.sikhlink.com/sikh/terms.htm

# ("he who is heavy, weighty"): a spiritual teacher; cf. acarya
www.yogajournal.com/newtoyoga/159.cfm

# a religious percept or teacher, often the person from whom one
receives initiation or consecration.
www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Glossary.htm

# Literally teacher refers to one of the ten Sikh prophets, the Sikh
scripture (Guru Granth Sahib), or God.
www.sikhstudy.com/A7terms.html

# In general terms, a computer expert. UNIX experts are typically
referred to as gurus in polite company.
teladesign.com/ma-thesis/glossary.html

# a teacher who has attained mastery in the Supracosmic Sphere.
www.mudrashram.com/glossarypage.html

# "Remover of darkness;" guide. A teacher. Though it can connote a
teacher of any subject, guru usually denotes a spiritual teacher or master.

John Smith I wrote:
Which definition of Guru comes closest to your implied meaning:
(BTW, I think your use of "guru" is well justified)

Sorta using my own definition for "guru" here, John.
It is an individual who refuses to listen to anything
that mere mortals have to say and either already knows
everything or gets any new information from God Almighty
himself. Anything that I cannot tell from a religion is
being asserted by a "guru". A perfect example is the
assertion by W8JI that current travels the length of
a 75m Texas Bugcatcher coil instantaneously.

If that were true, Intel could speed up its computer
buses by adding a 75m Texas Bugcatcher coil to each
data/control line, i.e. it is a ridiculous assertion.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On May 8, 7:19 am, "Yuri Blanarovich" wrote:

He was born in Smiljan Lika, Serbia, Yugoslavia, studied at Carl University
in Prague. People know more about tinkerer Edison, than about greatest
engineering genius who gave us AC and so much.

You may be just a little biased when it comes to Tesla, but
understandably so. I am more of an enthusiast than a fanatic.

Seemed to me implied: "Yeah" = mickey-mouse universities in Yugoslavia (or
Eastern Eu).

It was a regretable choice. Cecil has that effect on me
occasionally. I did manage to control myself well enough to avoid
calling him a "guru" though. :-)

I wish I understood this obsession you and Cecil have with gurus. I
don't share it.

It is more like reaction to people who are sometimes wrong and chime in on a
subject with: "hey stupid, it can't be" - parading as omnipotent gurus,
instead of asking questions and discussing the matter inteligently and
either defending their position or admitting that maybe we were not so
stupid and they COULD be wrong, and learn and get better.

If only that were a two-way street.

What we perceive as "gurus" here, is a type of person who is wrong about the
subject, tends to get riding on a high horse putting down the opposition,
sometimes ridiculing and close minded to any, even elaborate explanation or
reasoning. Typically "guru" wants to have their last "right" word, even if
realizing that maybe they were wrong, never admitting or giving credit where
is due.

Evidently a matter of perception and partiality. Cecil has more 'last
words' on this newsgroup than any other contributer by an order of
magnitude, and fits the rest of your description to a tee.

Looks like too much Woodstock generation getting into engineering and
forcing their "truth" to be the only one standing (Global Warming). If often
enough repeated in politics, it catches on with halfbright worshippers, but
has no place in science.

'Current pileup' could be just such a phenomenon.

I am sorry that sometimes I get provoked and fire back in a like manner, but
when someone is trying to convince me that RF is behaving like DC current,
when I got burned my fingers on the bottom of the loading coil, then I just
react in kind.

Do I stand accused of trying to convince you that RF behaves like DC?
I'm not sure that's entirely fair. I so admit to discouraging belief
that RF behaves like magic.

Even if sometimes discussions get tangled here, because some just can't, or
don't want to get it, I am gratefull to those involved, because they bring
some points, that I would have not paid attention to and missed important
link in the chain of knowledge on the subject.

Another outcome is, that some subjects in current literature are not all
that properly described and warrant more detailed explanation and proof to
get corrected, and some discussions here shed some light at it and
highlinght need for more down to earth tutorial to set the record straight.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I think it helps to keep an
open mind and consider all of the relevant facts.

73, Jim AC6XG

Jim Kelley wrote:
Evidently a matter of perception and partiality. Cecil has more 'last
words' on this newsgroup than any other contributer by an order of
magnitude, and fits the rest of your description to a tee.

Gurus are individuals who already know everything there is
to know and are therefore incapable of learning anything
new. That's not me. That's the arrogant individual who lists
all the possibilities that might cause someone to disagree
with him and none of those possibilities is that he might
be wrong.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On May 8, 9:26 am, Cecil Moore wrote:

Gurus are individuals who already know everything there is
to know and are therefore incapable of learning anything
new. That's not me.

So, that makes you the guy who says things like that about a person
just because he disagrees with him on a newsgroup.

ac6xg