On May 8, 9:26 am, Cecil Moore wrote:

Gurus are individuals who already know everything there is
to know and are therefore incapable of learning anything
new. That's not me.

So, that makes you the guy who says things like that about a person
just because he disagrees with him on a newsgroup.

ac6xg

"Jim Kelley" wrote in message
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On May 8, 9:26 am, Cecil Moore wrote:

Gurus are individuals who already know everything there is
to know and are therefore incapable of learning anything
new. That's not me.

So, that makes you the guy who says things like that about a person
just because he disagrees with him on a newsgroup.

ac6xg


It is not matter of disagreeing with person, more like discussing the
subject, finding out the reality (truth) and learning, sometimes admitting
of being off, or wrong, rather than defending the opposite, just
because.....

Many times I see that people do not bother trying to understand the problem,
researching it , but fire off "naaah, it can't be" and reduce their comments
to personal attacks.

Again, thanks to Cecil, Walt, Richard H and others for their contribution to
discussions, their persistence, it opened my antenna horizons and gave me
better understanding of wasaaaap with antennas. It will help me in my
further exploits and trying to build better arrays and taking advantage of
propagation modes and environment.

As a contester, I would encourage "gurus" to proclaim their "wisdom", for it
will confuse the competition and allow me to beat them by wider margin :-)
But as engineer, I would rather know the reality and what's behind it.

Just as an example: W8JI proclaims gospel on his web site that Beverage
antennas longer than 700 ft (on 160) are useless and waste of effort. When I
operated from W8LRL QTH and used his 3000 ft staggered phased JA Beverage, I
worked some 25 JAs, when rest of the East Coast hardly worked one or two.
Reality trumps over "guru theory" still insisting on his "gospel".

73 Yuri, K3BU

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

Many times I see that people do not bother trying to understand the problem,
researching it , but fire off "naaah, it can't be" and reduce their comments
to personal attacks.

Apparently you don't see it as much of it as some of the rest of us do.

But as engineer, I would rather know the reality and what's behind it.

It's probably fair to say that's what motivates most of us, Yuri.
It's the one thing most of us here share in common, other than ham radio.

Just as an example: W8JI proclaims gospel on his web site that Beverage
antennas longer than 700 ft (on 160) are useless and waste of effort.

I am not Tom, and you are not Tom. Neither of us speaks for Tom. Tom
doesn't even have a dog in this fight as far as I know. So in the
interest of maximizing the signal to noise ratio around here, why
don't we each let the other just speak for himself. It's much too
gossipy otherwise (and not very 'engineer-like').

73, Jim AC6XG

Jim Kelley wrote:
Tom doesn't even have a dog in this fight as far as I know.

Tom's web page is in this dog fight. Tom has posted hundreds
of postings in the past in support of his instantaneous
current with no phase shift through a loading coil. He
even "measured" the phase shift through a large coil at
5 nS. Of course, his "measurement" was made with standing-
wave current which doesn't change phase.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:

Jim Kelley wrote:

Tom doesn't even have a dog in this fight as far as I know.


Tom has posted hundreds
of postings in the past in support of his instantaneous
current with no phase shift through a loading coil.

Tom hasn't posted a single word to this thread that I am aware of.
The point is if you don't like what he says, you should take it up
with him. Know what I mean?

ac6xg

Jim Kelley wrote:
Tom hasn't posted a single word to this thread that I am aware of. The
point is if you don't like what he says, you should take it up with
him. Know what I mean?

What is your agenda in asserting that the contents of
Tom's web page concerning loading coils and his past
postings on the subject are off limits for this newsgroup?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On May 9, 11:49 am, Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:
Tom doesn't even have a dog in this fight as far as I know.

Tom's web page is in this dog fight. Tom has posted hundreds
of postings in the past in support of his instantaneous
current with no phase shift through a loading coil. He
even "measured" the phase shift through a large coil at
5 nS. Of course, his "measurement" was made with standing-
wave current which doesn't change phase.

Then let me put it to you this way. I don't have a dog in your fight
with him. Why don't you go tell it to him?

73, Jim AC6XG

Jim Kelley wrote:
Then let me put it to you this way. I don't have a dog in your fight
with him. Why don't you go tell it to him?

I already did.

But let's extend your logic to John Kraus. He doesn't
have a dog in this fight either. Why is it OK to quote
Kraus and not OK to quote w8ji?
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com