I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.
Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have
considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as
educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure.
Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule.
Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new
and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he
has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has
is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success,
where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed.
For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a
wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement
is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that
has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment
but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the
fight for life even in the light of a meagre education.
If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be
very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him.
Actually the news media should use that story for those people
who are interested in what is good in life as well as those
who only have derision for the efforts of others.
Regards
Art

Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this date
in my organizer.
Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone.
Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and
money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive.
Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss
crop circles.

Dale W4OP

On 31 May, 10:24, "Dale Parfitt" wrote:
I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.
Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have
considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as
educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure.
Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule.
Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new
and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he
has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has
is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success,
where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed.
For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a
wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement
is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that
has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment
but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the
fight for life even in the light of a meagre education.
If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be
very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him.
Actually the news media should use that story for those people
who are interested in what is good in life as well as those
who only have derision for the efforts of others.
Regards
Art

snip- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive.
If it makes him happy then that is productive and is good reason for
him
to make that choice.

Most people who enrich themselves usually make every mistake in the
book
until they find that one thing that makes them a success and that is
not
reserved for the PhD or more highly educated entrepaneur.
With the higher education you have the ability to get it right first
time
if and only, if you have the drive to succeed. Oddly enough life
doesn't
always work out that way but people can always change their position
after the fact and say that is nothing new, I knew it all the time
but I was just not interested in pursueing and then resume the
position on the couch. There are many highly educated people
on this newsgroup Dale who just like you are millionares because
their education allowed them to be right first time, all the time,
every time where other meagre minds just waste their time and money.
Why do hams get so much enjoyement from a piece of wire hung up
on the gutter where those in the know and educated sneer and
use a cell phone? Think about it, how do you measure happiness?
How do you measure remaining life and how it should be used in
the face of adversity? Productivety you say!
Are you so much better than others that you should decide
what is folly and what is wise to ensure a finding of the
pot of gold? Remember that a producer who cuts out film
as not being valuable can be poorer than the man that
picks up that what has been discarded
Art




Dale W4OP

Dale Parfitt wrote:
Actually, it was art who wrote:

I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!

Turns out they don't do very much filtering anymore, Art. It used to
be called verification, and corroboration of sources. At one time the
practice was even considered a journalistic prerequisite. But they
have done away with that formality now for the most part. This
provides us with immediate and unfettered access to mountainous heaps
of garbage printed in newspapers and broadcast on the nightly news -
and which is gleaned in no small part from that irreproachable font of
knowledge and wisdom known as the internet.

Firesign Theater once proclaimed 'Everything You Know is Wrong'.
Thanks to the above it is now possible for that to be literally true;
a fact which evidences itself with greater profusion each election day.

ac6xg

"Dale Parfitt" wrote in message
news:_wD7i.1509$WZ6.1337@trnddc03...
I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.
Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have
considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as
educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure.
Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule.
Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new
and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he
has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has
is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success,
where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed.
For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a
wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement
is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that
has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment
but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the
fight for life even in the light of a meagre education.
If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be
very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him.
Actually the news media should use that story for those people
who are interested in what is good in life as well as those
who only have derision for the efforts of others.
Regards
Art

Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this
date in my organizer.
Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone.
Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and
money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive.
Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss
crop circles.

Dale W4OP


just get him together with art. maybe if they put the 1400w into a gaussian
antenna they can aim it and get the efficiency up over 100% and set the
whole ocean on fire!

art wrote:
...
I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
...

Art:

Could not agree with you more. If someone wants the news media to
filter for them, I should wonder if someone should not accompany them to
the restroom to wipe for them also?

Give me it all, I will, eventually, toss the garbage ...

Regards,
JS

On 31 May 2007 08:58:09 -0700, art wrote:



I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.

Unfortunately very few viewers have either the education or experience
to make that determination. It's like computer literacy. Now days
much of the population has computers, but only a very small percentage
is truly computer literate. As a grad assistant I taught the intro to
computer science. The level of knowledge in those students was scary
and that was at the university level.

Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have
considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as
educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure.

However they were working from sound scientific or business
principles, not something that violates the laws of physics.

Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule.
Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new
and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he
has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has
is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success,
where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed.
For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a
wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement
is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that
has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment
but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the
fight for life even in the light of a meagre education.

What is more sad it when some one is encouraged to go on a "fool's
errand" and gives the "man on the street" false hope, so in the end
instead of one disappointed person, thousands have their false hopes
dashed.

Realistically tinkerers, engineers, and scientists alike all know
their individual searches may end up in failure and accept that as a
fact of life.

If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be
very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him.
Actually the news media should use that story for those people
who are interested in what is good in life as well as those

Although this approach sounds charitable to create false hopes in the
person doing the research and those who believe in it is very cruel.

To encourage research, experimentation, and to push the envelope is
good, but to give false hope even in the name of charity is not.
I would far rather work under the sense of what I do has he odds
against it rather than a false grandiose hope that would or could
leave me and worse yet those who believed in me with dashed hopes.

To point out the failings in a piece of research is not derision, as
long as it is done in a respectful manner. It is in fact an attempt to
help the individual rather than to encourage them to pursue "junk
science".

Mankind has been looking for perpetual motion since we had enough
brain power to envision such a fallacy. Most any engineer can show the
weakness behind this idea and prove them. Yet there are those who
believe we can violate the laws of physics/nature with impunity and
there are those who encourage it. There are many things far more
practical and rewarding for the individual and society as a whole that
are much more likely to succeed. Those are the things we should
encourage.
who only have derision for the efforts of others.
Regards
Art

On 7 Jun, 22:01, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:
On 31 May 2007 08:58:09 -0700, art wrote:



I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.

Unfortunately very few viewers have either the education or experience
to make that determination.

My O my. I know that America is a big Country but I never realised
that Communist ideals were lying secretly under some rocks waiting
for an opportunity to broadcast its ideals. When does America
start burning all books and pick up the refrain of the resident
couch experts? Does this reflect the ideals of the antenna experts
on this newsgroup? Obviously they are not having success when
it comes to suppression with respect to antennas
Art

Roger (K8RI) wrote:

...
Unfortunately very few viewers have either the education or experience
to make that determination. It's like computer literacy. Now days
...

Unfortunately, very few people have the where-with-all to determine what
others can or cannot determine and are unjustified it attempting to do
so ...

Yanno, you kinda look like one of 'em ... ahhh, perhaps it is just the
lighting ...

JS

On 30 May, 22:41, Roy Lewallen wrote:
Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in
this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a
poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it
and report it as news.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL



By golly! Just think what have could happened to my Gaussian antenna
when "dupes who had such a poor understanding of basic fundemental
principles" that they did no





Tony Jaa wrote:
Water burns!
Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis
Posted: May 30, 2007
5:00 p.m. Eastern

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55934

By Joe Kovacs
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Is the solution to America's energy needs as simple as a trip to the beach?

The idea is a fascinating one as a Florida man searching for a cancer cure
may have stumbled onto a virtually limitless source of energy: salt water.

John Kanzius of Sanibel Island, Fla., demonstrates how salt water burns
after bombarded with radio waves from a machine he invented. (courtesy
WPBF-TV)

John Kanzius, 63, is a broadcast engineer who formerly owned several TV and
radio stations, before retiring in Sanibel Island, Fla.

Five years ago, he was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia, and began a
quest to find a kinder, gentler way to treat the disease compared to harsh
chemotherapy.

In October 2003, he had an epiphany: kill cancer with radio waves. He then
devised a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to slay cancerous
cells, while leaving healthy cells unharmed.

His experiments in fighting cancer have become so successful, one physician
was quoted as saying, "We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy
Grail."

But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of
water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought
was impossible: making water burn.

"On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that
burns, and it looks in this case that salt water perhaps could be used as a
fuel to replace the carbon footsteps that we've been using all these years,
i.e., fossil fuels," Kanzius said.

The possible ramifications of the discovery are almost mind-boggling, as
cars could be fueled by salt water instead of gasoline, hydroelectric
plants could be built along the shore, and homes could be heated without
worrying about supplies of oil.

"It doesn't have to be ocean salt water," Kanzius said. "It burns just as
well when we add salt to tap water."

Kanzius has partnered with Charles Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial
Sales and Manufacturing, a Millcreek, Pa., company that builds the
radio-wave generators.

"I've done this [burning experiment] countless times and it still amazes
me," Rutkowski told the Erie Times-News. "Here we are paying $3 a gallon
for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an
alternative fuel."

Kanzius has been told it's actually hydrogen that's burning, as his machine
generates enough heat to break down the chemical bond between hydrogen and
oxygen that makes up water.

"I have never heard of such a thing," Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of
Allegheny College's chemistry department, told the Times-News. "There
doesn't seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds
and cause that kind of reaction."

Thus far, Kanzius' discovery has not received extensive national publicity,
but has been featured on several local television news programs, including
WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa., and WKYC-TV in
Cleveland.

"We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights
every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the
radio waves on and off," Kanzius told the Times-News as he watched a test
tube of salt water burn.

"And look, the paper itself doesn't burn," he added. "Well, it burns but the
paper is not consumed."

Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with
government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to
develop it.

"I'm afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it
doesn't work and shelve it, even if it does work," Kanzius told the paper.

Video of TV news reports of water burning can be seen from these affiliates:

WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla.

WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa.

WKYC-TV in Cleveland- Hide quoted text -

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Sounds like another perpetual motion machine. We have one locally,
purely hydraulic. Of course, it does have a plug to the power grid,
which drives an "inconsequential" circulating pump. No question that
the inventor is firmly convinced it is real, and that it is just a
matter of time before he can get it to power that circulating pump.
His primary endorser is a retired Navy SEAL.


--
Alan
WA4SCA