On 1 Jun, 13:25, John Smith I wrote:
Dave wrote:

...

and just how do you know who on this group was educated where??

maybe those of us educated under the 'American' system have enough common
sense to recognize snake oil when we see it??

A question for you... when was the last time you saw some really new
invention that wasn't eventually proven to be fraud or bad science announced
first on a usenet news group??? or on a tv news show???

Did you use that same argument when quantum physics was first being
discussed?

If not, how did you know that "insane phenomenon" was real?

Although we have already developed experimental quantum computers and we
can exploit the phenomenon, we do not understand the underlying physics
to any real degree ...

JS

Hold on now John. He was one of the first to find out that american
mathematics
was given incorrect answers. He pointed that out when that MIT doctor
gave the mathematics to prove that adding the unit of time to both
sides
of the equation ( Gaussian statics law) changed a conservative field
to a non conservative field with respect to radiation.
On top of that most of the experts on the net agree with him.
To point out that american mathematics does not support
those of Gauss and Maxwell is indeed a major achievement and has
gained him mass support from the resident experts. All resist the idea
that
equilibrium exists.
Art

Mike, out in the workshop I still have the original Fridgidaire 'radar
oven' I bought in 1971, with my GM discount at the time... The
magnetron was hammered on day and night by a herd of kids who are now
middle aged... I can only estimate how many times that magnetron has
had the filament cycled...
Assume ten times a day probably low times 26 years = ~96,000
cycles!!!

The pot metal latch on the door broke about 10 years back and it was
relegated to shop use because some kid might fry his eyeballs if he
doesn't understand he has to hold the door shut against the spring
with one hand and hit the power switch with the other and the solenoid
safety lock will then keep the door from springing open while the
magnetron is on...
The other reason is that it didn't match the decor of the granite and
stainless steel kitchen in the retirement house...
It still has power to spare and heats a cup of tea water in half the
time of the expensive new microwave...


denny - k8do

Art, it may come as a total shock to you, but we do get 'your
point'... It is just that some of your points are more wishful
thinking than anything else and some of us are from Missouri...

It is only in your wishful thinking that todays american is lazy,
unmotivated, and stupid, and only the immigrants are smart, and
motivated, and hard working... America as a whole is a ferocious
industrial giant who competes in the world market like an 800 pound
gorilla...

An aside discussion could be why do these smart, motivated, educated
immigrants have to come to the USA to be successful in the first
place? But, I'll let indulge in your own thoughts on that...

No, I we do not believe that everything is known and there is
nothing left to invent... Gravity is still a mystery... The mere
presence of Dark matter totally refutes the Big Bang Theory...

Dammit!!! I accidently bumped the mouse and the cursor was over the
'send' box and I was not ready to post my ramblings...

Anyway, to continue... This plasma guy... His demonstration is
interesting, but nothing else... Plasma production by RF is well known
and understood not necessarily by me personally, but I can read...
Plasma generators are used heavily in the silicon chip industry and
numerous other industrial applications (coating glass, etc..) We have
spacecraft using plasma thrusters also called ION engines in flight,
with more planned for launch by various countries...
As I commented before, notice the characteristic color of the flame,
it is sodium ions being heated that an college chemistry 101 student
will instantly identify on sight...
A hydroxy flame is invisible... I use hydroxy torches and they are a
pain because you can't see the flame and you have to wear special
glasses to both visualize what is going on and to prevent UV eye
damage...
So, I am not belittling this person but I do not so far see anything
new or unknown there... And like others on here, I am aware of the
basics of physics and I do not see the potential for energy gain from
his process... Perhaps on a spacecraft with abundant DC energy from
solar cells it might be a handy source of open flame for other uses...

denny / k8do

Denny wrote:

... I am aware of the
basics of physics and I do not see the potential for energy gain from
his process... Perhaps on a spacecraft with abundant DC energy from
solar cells it might be a handy source of open flame for other uses...

denny / k8do


Really?

Well, how about a geothermal engine/generator set up near a volcano
powering an rf generator and providing fuel for autos.

Hawaii seems a suitable test ground ...

JS

On 4 Jun, 06:20, Denny wrote:
Art, it may come as a total shock to you, but we do get 'your
point'... It is just that some of your points are more wishful
thinking than anything else and some of us are from Missouri...
snip
We do get" your point" Could you explain in more detail,
some here will not agree with you? You may get more static
than you think if you are opposing the experts !
I warn you that it takes guts to go against the experts
and I don't think you are up to it.

...............
Smart people are comming to this country because companies are
enticing themwith money. They paid all my expences as well
as the rest of the family while Americans were looking for
work with a $50,000 college loan to repay. The company I
worked for laid off over a hundred engineers of leaving only
seven of us left. With manufacturing gone overseas they are
going to have a hard time getting a position
.......................
I live in a insurance town and we have a company that specialising
in bringing into the community software engineers in from India for
different businesses. We have more than enough here already that
we have a full blown cricket league ! I will leave it to others
to explain that.

.......................
If you do not believe every thing is known what accounts for the
resistance to the new with respect to antennas? They have
even got to the point of resisting mathematics.
Some get angry because they want me to answer their questions
over and over again without reading prior postings just so
they can dig a knife in. I would be very much encouraged if
just one person acknoweledged the Gaussian aproach but sadly
this newsgroup is for arguments and ridicule.
Art

On 4 Jun, 06:37, Denny wrote:
Dammit!!! I accidently bumped the mouse and the cursor was over the
'send' box and I was not ready to post my ramblings...

Anyway, to continue... This plasma guy... His demonstration is
interesting, but nothing else... snip

So we should snipe at the media for printing it instead of censoring
it!
Art


denny / k8do

Tony Jaa wrote:
Water burns!
Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis
...

This video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lud1qceKqyQ

shows John Kanzius sticking his hand into the field/path of the RF from
the machine--I doubt if that is a microwave freq.

I can't seem to find a link on the man which states the freq(s) he is
using ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Tony Jaa wrote:
Water burns!
Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis
...

This video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lud1qceKqyQ

shows John Kanzius sticking his hand into the field/path of the RF from
the machine--I doubt if that is a microwave freq.

I can't seem to find a link on the man which states the freq(s) he is
using ...

Regards,
JS


http://youtube.com/watch?v=CwughofIC...elated&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P9LhJ0AqI...elated&search=

A couple more links, including one where a congressman is getting
involved and advocating federal funding for development of this mans
discovery ...

Regards,
JS

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
John Smith I wrote:
Tony Jaa wrote:
Water burns!
Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis
...

This video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lud1qceKqyQ

shows John Kanzius sticking his hand into the field/path of the RF from
the machine--I doubt if that is a microwave freq.

I can't seem to find a link on the man which states the freq(s) he is
using ...

Regards,
JS


http://youtube.com/watch?v=CwughofIC...elated&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P9LhJ0AqI...elated&search=

A couple more links, including one where a congressman is getting involved
and advocating federal funding for development of this mans discovery ...

Regards,
JS

It doesnt take much to tell that the flame is a plasma arc, not hydrogen as
claimed. A neon sign transformer would probably be much more efficent.