Jim Kelley wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim, you and others have disagreed with definitions in the IEEE
Dictionary and implied it is not worth the paper upon which it is
printed. One need only to access Google to verify that fact.

Accessing Google, the first thing I found was:

Jim Kelley wrote:
... nowhere will
you see the IEEE refer to watts traveling through a wire.

Yet the IEEE says:
"power-flow vector ... giving magnitude and direction of *power*
per unit-area *propagating* in the wave."

The unit of power is the watt. Waves travel through wires. The
IEEE Dictionary says, in so many words, that watts per unit
area are propagating in the wave along the wire. "Propagating"
and "flowing" are close enough to be considered synonyms.

I'm sure I could find many other examples if I wasted more
time searching.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
...

Cecil:

We are too old!

Leave the BS to the younger crowd. Make it important ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
We are too old!
Leave the BS to the younger crowd.

At my age, BS means "blood sugar".

Cecil Moore wrote:

...
At my age, BS means "blood sugar".

Cecil:

Much too often, BS = Boring Stuff :-(

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jim Kelley wrote:

Cecil Moore wrote:

Jim, you and others have disagreed with definitions in the IEEE
Dictionary and implied it is not worth the paper upon which it is
printed. One need only to access Google to verify that fact.


Accessing Google, the first thing I found was:

Jim Kelley wrote:
... nowhere will
you see the IEEE refer to watts traveling through a wire.

Yet the IEEE says:
"power-flow vector ... giving magnitude and direction of *power*
per unit-area *propagating* in the wave."

The unit of power is the watt. Waves travel through wires. The
IEEE Dictionary says, in so many words, that watts per unit
area are propagating in the wave along the wire. "Propagating"
and "flowing" are close enough to be considered synonyms.

Thus illustrating your belief that the IEEE claims that power
propagates through wires. Obviously, if the question were put to
them, they would say they were defining the Poynting Vector, not
inventing a new natural phenomenon. It is your belief here with which
I disagree. That has always been my point, as is plainly evident from
your quote.

73, AC6XG

Jim Kelley wrote:
Thus illustrating your belief that the IEEE claims that power propagates
through wires. Obviously, if the question were put to them, they would
say they were defining the Poynting Vector, not inventing a new natural
phenomenon. It is your belief here with which I disagree. That has
always been my point, as is plainly evident from your quote.

Jim, you are free to believe that the moon is made
out of green cheese. The irony is that you convinced
me years ago to give up on the concept of power
propagating as described in the IEEE Dictionary.

So now I don't believe in propagating power and
"that is my belief here with which you disagree"???

Seems whatever side I take, right or wrong, you
are determined to take the other side so you can
continue arguing about it.
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com