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Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis Posted: May 30, 2007 5:00 p.m. Eastern http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55934 By Joe Kovacs © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Is the solution to America's energy needs as simple as a trip to the beach? The idea is a fascinating one as a Florida man searching for a cancer cure may have stumbled onto a virtually limitless source of energy: salt water. John Kanzius of Sanibel Island, Fla., demonstrates how salt water burns after bombarded with radio waves from a machine he invented. (courtesy WPBF-TV) John Kanzius, 63, is a broadcast engineer who formerly owned several TV and radio stations, before retiring in Sanibel Island, Fla. Five years ago, he was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia, and began a quest to find a kinder, gentler way to treat the disease compared to harsh chemotherapy. In October 2003, he had an epiphany: kill cancer with radio waves. He then devised a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to slay cancerous cells, while leaving healthy cells unharmed. His experiments in fighting cancer have become so successful, one physician was quoted as saying, "We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy Grail." But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought was impossible: making water burn. "On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that burns, and it looks in this case that salt water perhaps could be used as a fuel to replace the carbon footsteps that we've been using all these years, i.e., fossil fuels," Kanzius said. The possible ramifications of the discovery are almost mind-boggling, as cars could be fueled by salt water instead of gasoline, hydroelectric plants could be built along the shore, and homes could be heated without worrying about supplies of oil. "It doesn't have to be ocean salt water," Kanzius said. "It burns just as well when we add salt to tap water." Kanzius has partnered with Charles Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial Sales and Manufacturing, a Millcreek, Pa., company that builds the radio-wave generators. "I've done this [burning experiment] countless times and it still amazes me," Rutkowski told the Erie Times-News. "Here we are paying $3 a gallon for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an alternative fuel." Kanzius has been told it's actually hydrogen that's burning, as his machine generates enough heat to break down the chemical bond between hydrogen and oxygen that makes up water. "I have never heard of such a thing," Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of Allegheny College's chemistry department, told the Times-News. "There doesn't seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds and cause that kind of reaction." Thus far, Kanzius' discovery has not received extensive national publicity, but has been featured on several local television news programs, including WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa., and WKYC-TV in Cleveland. "We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the radio waves on and off," Kanzius told the Times-News as he watched a test tube of salt water burn. "And look, the paper itself doesn't burn," he added. "Well, it burns but the paper is not consumed." Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. "I'm afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it doesn't work and shelve it, even if it does work," Kanzius told the paper. Video of TV news reports of water burning can be seen from these affiliates: WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla. WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa. WKYC-TV in Cleveland |
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Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in
this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it and report it as news. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Tony Jaa wrote: Water burns! Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis Posted: May 30, 2007 5:00 p.m. Eastern http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55934 By Joe Kovacs © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Is the solution to America's energy needs as simple as a trip to the beach? The idea is a fascinating one as a Florida man searching for a cancer cure may have stumbled onto a virtually limitless source of energy: salt water. John Kanzius of Sanibel Island, Fla., demonstrates how salt water burns after bombarded with radio waves from a machine he invented. (courtesy WPBF-TV) John Kanzius, 63, is a broadcast engineer who formerly owned several TV and radio stations, before retiring in Sanibel Island, Fla. Five years ago, he was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia, and began a quest to find a kinder, gentler way to treat the disease compared to harsh chemotherapy. In October 2003, he had an epiphany: kill cancer with radio waves. He then devised a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to slay cancerous cells, while leaving healthy cells unharmed. His experiments in fighting cancer have become so successful, one physician was quoted as saying, "We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy Grail." But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought was impossible: making water burn. "On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that burns, and it looks in this case that salt water perhaps could be used as a fuel to replace the carbon footsteps that we've been using all these years, i.e., fossil fuels," Kanzius said. The possible ramifications of the discovery are almost mind-boggling, as cars could be fueled by salt water instead of gasoline, hydroelectric plants could be built along the shore, and homes could be heated without worrying about supplies of oil. "It doesn't have to be ocean salt water," Kanzius said. "It burns just as well when we add salt to tap water." Kanzius has partnered with Charles Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial Sales and Manufacturing, a Millcreek, Pa., company that builds the radio-wave generators. "I've done this [burning experiment] countless times and it still amazes me," Rutkowski told the Erie Times-News. "Here we are paying $3 a gallon for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an alternative fuel." Kanzius has been told it's actually hydrogen that's burning, as his machine generates enough heat to break down the chemical bond between hydrogen and oxygen that makes up water. "I have never heard of such a thing," Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of Allegheny College's chemistry department, told the Times-News. "There doesn't seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds and cause that kind of reaction." Thus far, Kanzius' discovery has not received extensive national publicity, but has been featured on several local television news programs, including WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa., and WKYC-TV in Cleveland. "We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the radio waves on and off," Kanzius told the Times-News as he watched a test tube of salt water burn. "And look, the paper itself doesn't burn," he added. "Well, it burns but the paper is not consumed." Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. "I'm afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it doesn't work and shelve it, even if it does work," Kanzius told the paper. Video of TV news reports of water burning can be seen from these affiliates: WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla. WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa. WKYC-TV in Cleveland |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it and report it as news. Roy Lewallen, W7EL I'd say it is pretty obvious Roy did not view the video! Yes, hard to believe and I would refrain from final judgment on if it is absolutely real. However, the video certainly makes it worth looking into. My only real skepticism is if the output in heat from the hydrogen+oxygen burning is more than the input of RF to generate the breakdown of the hydrogen/oxygen bond ... that I GREATLY doubt. Regards, JS |
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You can't get more energy out of anything than what you put in. You can't
create energy. You can only transform it from one form to another. |
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Alfred Lorona wrote:
You can't get more energy out of anything than what you put in. You can't create energy. You can only transform it from one form to another. And, just what did you think I said? You repeat me ... Regards, JS |
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Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery
with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. ************************************************** ********************************* In my nearly 7 decades of wandering about the surface of the earth, statements like this have always been my indicator that the "inventor" knows he is on shaky ground... And the epiphany that a big energy company will just 'kill it' puts him firmly in the company of the 100 mpg carburetor inventors, that all those nasty corporations suppress... The Moeller Skycar, Ionized Water, Magnetic Fuel Conditioner, and countless other 'inventions', fall into this catagory of interesting ideas but not useable in the real world because they a Economically a loser Mechanically unstable Just plain dangerous Simply don't work etc.... In this case he has come up with an interesting way to perform electrolysis of water - I approve of anyone who likes RF! The problem will be (as pointed out by others) is that it takes more energy input than you get back as the hydrogen and oxygen recombine... Another problem is that the H,O, Na, Cl are co-mingled gasous products of the reaction which is not desireable when you want separation for chemical or physical reasons... You can see by the color of the flame that sodium is being heated.. Perhaps a use for this method of cracking hydrogen loose will be found, but I have my doubts at the moment... denny / k8do - cynic, critic, ham, old lab rat |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it and report it as news. Like reporting a 3 nS delay through a ten inch long, 100 turn, two inch diameter, 75m loading coil? :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Sounds like another perpetual motion machine. We have one locally,
purely hydraulic. Of course, it does have a plug to the power grid, which drives an "inconsequential" circulating pump. No question that the inventor is firmly convinced it is real, and that it is just a matter of time before he can get it to power that circulating pump. His primary endorser is a retired Navy SEAL. -- Alan WA4SCA |
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Roy . its worse than that, the media didnt report on it because they
believed there may be some credability to what the guy did. They did because it is news, becuse there are so many thousands of other people out there that dont have a clue about basic scientific fundamentals. They did it because the world is in such a panic about energy reserves that people want to hear this junk. The media takes no responsibility for filtering out the garbage. Jimmie "Roy Lewallen" wrote in message ... Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it and report it as news. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Tony Jaa wrote: Water burns! Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis Posted: May 30, 2007 5:00 p.m. Eastern http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55934 By Joe Kovacs © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Is the solution to America's energy needs as simple as a trip to the beach? The idea is a fascinating one as a Florida man searching for a cancer cure may have stumbled onto a virtually limitless source of energy: salt water. John Kanzius of Sanibel Island, Fla., demonstrates how salt water burns after bombarded with radio waves from a machine he invented. (courtesy WPBF-TV) John Kanzius, 63, is a broadcast engineer who formerly owned several TV and radio stations, before retiring in Sanibel Island, Fla. Five years ago, he was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia, and began a quest to find a kinder, gentler way to treat the disease compared to harsh chemotherapy. In October 2003, he had an epiphany: kill cancer with radio waves. He then devised a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to slay cancerous cells, while leaving healthy cells unharmed. His experiments in fighting cancer have become so successful, one physician was quoted as saying, "We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy Grail." But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought was impossible: making water burn. "On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that burns, and it looks in this case that salt water perhaps could be used as a fuel to replace the carbon footsteps that we've been using all these years, i.e., fossil fuels," Kanzius said. The possible ramifications of the discovery are almost mind-boggling, as cars could be fueled by salt water instead of gasoline, hydroelectric plants could be built along the shore, and homes could be heated without worrying about supplies of oil. "It doesn't have to be ocean salt water," Kanzius said. "It burns just as well when we add salt to tap water." Kanzius has partnered with Charles Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial Sales and Manufacturing, a Millcreek, Pa., company that builds the radio-wave generators. "I've done this [burning experiment] countless times and it still amazes me," Rutkowski told the Erie Times-News. "Here we are paying $3 a gallon for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an alternative fuel." Kanzius has been told it's actually hydrogen that's burning, as his machine generates enough heat to break down the chemical bond between hydrogen and oxygen that makes up water. "I have never heard of such a thing," Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of Allegheny College's chemistry department, told the Times-News. "There doesn't seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds and cause that kind of reaction." Thus far, Kanzius' discovery has not received extensive national publicity, but has been featured on several local television news programs, including WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa., and WKYC-TV in Cleveland. "We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the radio waves on and off," Kanzius told the Times-News as he watched a test tube of salt water burn. "And look, the paper itself doesn't burn," he added. "Well, it burns but the paper is not consumed." Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. "I'm afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it doesn't work and shelve it, even if it does work," Kanzius told the paper. Video of TV news reports of water burning can be seen from these affiliates: WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla. WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa. WKYC-TV in Cleveland |
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Denny wrote:
Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. ... The problem is a simple one: Create an imbalanced system, such as where, an uncorrected condition exists where the system is unstable, leading it on to continuous "oscillations." This idea is seen experimented with where people are doing research with "magnetic motors." When the person said, "A picture is worth a thousand words." This is most likely what he/she had in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0 Is that video real? Well, I am like you, and my mind says, "Probably NOT!" Now, as to whether it is possible to set up such an imbalance to the point where it is possible to extract excess energy from such a machines operation? I just don't know, but it is something mankind could sure use! Regards, JS |
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On 31 May, 06:02, "Jimmie D" wrote:
Roy . its worse than that, the media didnt report on it because they believed there may be some credability to what the guy did. They did because it is news, becuse there are so many thousands of other people out there that dont have a clue about basic scientific fundamentals. They did it because the world is in such a panic about energy reserves that people want to hear this junk. The media takes no responsibility for filtering out the garbage. Jimmie "Roy Lewallen" wrote in message ... Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it and report it as news. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Tony Jaa wrote: Water burns! Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis Posted: May 30, 2007 5:00 p.m. Eastern http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55934 By Joe Kovacs © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Is the solution to America's energy needs as simple as a trip to the beach? The idea is a fascinating one as a Florida man searching for a cancer cure may have stumbled onto a virtually limitless source of energy: salt water. John Kanzius of Sanibel Island, Fla., demonstrates how salt water burns after bombarded with radio waves from a machine he invented. (courtesy WPBF-TV) John Kanzius, 63, is a broadcast engineer who formerly owned several TV and radio stations, before retiring in Sanibel Island, Fla. Five years ago, he was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia, and began a quest to find a kinder, gentler way to treat the disease compared to harsh chemotherapy. In October 2003, he had an epiphany: kill cancer with radio waves. He then devised a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to slay cancerous cells, while leaving healthy cells unharmed. His experiments in fighting cancer have become so successful, one physician was quoted as saying, "We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy Grail." But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought was impossible: making water burn. "On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that burns, and it looks in this case that salt water perhaps could be used as a fuel to replace the carbon footsteps that we've been using all these years, i.e., fossil fuels," Kanzius said. The possible ramifications of the discovery are almost mind-boggling, as cars could be fueled by salt water instead of gasoline, hydroelectric plants could be built along the shore, and homes could be heated without worrying about supplies of oil. "It doesn't have to be ocean salt water," Kanzius said. "It burns just as well when we add salt to tap water." Kanzius has partnered with Charles Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial Sales and Manufacturing, a Millcreek, Pa., company that builds the radio-wave generators. "I've done this [burning experiment] countless times and it still amazes me," Rutkowski told the Erie Times-News. "Here we are paying $3 a gallon for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an alternative fuel." Kanzius has been told it's actually hydrogen that's burning, as his machine generates enough heat to break down the chemical bond between hydrogen and oxygen that makes up water. "I have never heard of such a thing," Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of Allegheny College's chemistry department, told the Times-News. "There doesn't seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds and cause that kind of reaction." Thus far, Kanzius' discovery has not received extensive national publicity, but has been featured on several local television news programs, including WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa., and WKYC-TV in Cleveland. "We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the radio waves on and off," Kanzius told the Times-News as he watched a test tube of salt water burn. "And look, the paper itself doesn't burn," he added. "Well, it burns but the paper is not consumed." Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. "I'm afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it doesn't work and shelve it, even if it does work," Kanzius told the paper. Video of TV news reports of water burning can be seen from these affiliates: WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla. WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa. WKYC-TV in Cleveland- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage! It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not. Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure. Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule. Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success, where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed. For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the fight for life even in the light of a meagre education. If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him. Actually the news media should use that story for those people who are interested in what is good in life as well as those who only have derision for the efforts of others. Regards Art |
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I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not. Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure. Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule. Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success, where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed. For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the fight for life even in the light of a meagre education. If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him. Actually the news media should use that story for those people who are interested in what is good in life as well as those who only have derision for the efforts of others. Regards Art Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this date in my organizer. Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone. Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive. Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss crop circles. Dale W4OP |
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art wrote:
... I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage! ... Art: Could not agree with you more. If someone wants the news media to filter for them, I should wonder if someone should not accompany them to the restroom to wipe for them also? Give me it all, I will, eventually, toss the garbage ... Regards, JS |
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On 31 May, 10:24, "Dale Parfitt" wrote:
I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage! It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not. Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure. Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule. Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success, where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed. For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the fight for life even in the light of a meagre education. If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him. Actually the news media should use that story for those people who are interested in what is good in life as well as those who only have derision for the efforts of others. Regards Art snip- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive. If it makes him happy then that is productive and is good reason for him to make that choice. Most people who enrich themselves usually make every mistake in the book until they find that one thing that makes them a success and that is not reserved for the PhD or more highly educated entrepaneur. With the higher education you have the ability to get it right first time if and only, if you have the drive to succeed. Oddly enough life doesn't always work out that way but people can always change their position after the fact and say that is nothing new, I knew it all the time but I was just not interested in pursueing and then resume the position on the couch. There are many highly educated people on this newsgroup Dale who just like you are millionares because their education allowed them to be right first time, all the time, every time where other meagre minds just waste their time and money. Why do hams get so much enjoyement from a piece of wire hung up on the gutter where those in the know and educated sneer and use a cell phone? Think about it, how do you measure happiness? How do you measure remaining life and how it should be used in the face of adversity? Productivety you say! Are you so much better than others that you should decide what is folly and what is wise to ensure a finding of the pot of gold? Remember that a producer who cuts out film as not being valuable can be poorer than the man that picks up that what has been discarded Art Dale W4OP |
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On 30 May, 22:41, Roy Lewallen wrote:
Yet another sad commentary on the sorry state of science education in this country. Not so much the "inventor" as the dupes who have such a poor understanding of basic fundamental principles that they believe it and report it as news. Roy Lewallen, W7EL By golly! Just think what have could happened to my Gaussian antenna when "dupes who had such a poor understanding of basic fundemental principles" that they did no Tony Jaa wrote: Water burns! Man looking for cancer cure hopes to solve energy crisis Posted: May 30, 2007 5:00 p.m. Eastern http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55934 By Joe Kovacs © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Is the solution to America's energy needs as simple as a trip to the beach? The idea is a fascinating one as a Florida man searching for a cancer cure may have stumbled onto a virtually limitless source of energy: salt water. John Kanzius of Sanibel Island, Fla., demonstrates how salt water burns after bombarded with radio waves from a machine he invented. (courtesy WPBF-TV) John Kanzius, 63, is a broadcast engineer who formerly owned several TV and radio stations, before retiring in Sanibel Island, Fla. Five years ago, he was diagnosed with a severe form of leukemia, and began a quest to find a kinder, gentler way to treat the disease compared to harsh chemotherapy. In October 2003, he had an epiphany: kill cancer with radio waves. He then devised a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to slay cancerous cells, while leaving healthy cells unharmed. His experiments in fighting cancer have become so successful, one physician was quoted as saying, "We could be getting close to grabbing the Holy Grail." But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought was impossible: making water burn. "On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that burns, and it looks in this case that salt water perhaps could be used as a fuel to replace the carbon footsteps that we've been using all these years, i.e., fossil fuels," Kanzius said. The possible ramifications of the discovery are almost mind-boggling, as cars could be fueled by salt water instead of gasoline, hydroelectric plants could be built along the shore, and homes could be heated without worrying about supplies of oil. "It doesn't have to be ocean salt water," Kanzius said. "It burns just as well when we add salt to tap water." Kanzius has partnered with Charles Rutkowski, general manager of Industrial Sales and Manufacturing, a Millcreek, Pa., company that builds the radio-wave generators. "I've done this [burning experiment] countless times and it still amazes me," Rutkowski told the Erie Times-News. "Here we are paying $3 a gallon for gas, and this is a device that seems to turn salt water into an alternative fuel." Kanzius has been told it's actually hydrogen that's burning, as his machine generates enough heat to break down the chemical bond between hydrogen and oxygen that makes up water. "I have never heard of such a thing," Alice Deckert, Ph.D., chairwoman of Allegheny College's chemistry department, told the Times-News. "There doesn't seem to be enough energy in radio waves to break the chemical bonds and cause that kind of reaction." Thus far, Kanzius' discovery has not received extensive national publicity, but has been featured on several local television news programs, including WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla., WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa., and WKYC-TV in Cleveland. "We discovered that if you use a piece of paper towel as a wick, it lights every single time and you can start it and stop it at will by turning the radio waves on and off," Kanzius told the Times-News as he watched a test tube of salt water burn. "And look, the paper itself doesn't burn," he added. "Well, it burns but the paper is not consumed." Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it. "I'm afraid that if I join up with some big energy company, they will say it doesn't work and shelve it, even if it does work," Kanzius told the paper. Video of TV news reports of water burning can be seen from these affiliates: WPBF-TV in West Palm Beach, Fla. WSEE-TV in Erie, Pa. WKYC-TV in Cleveland- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Alfred Lorona wrote:
You can't get more energy out of anything than what you put in. You can't create energy. You can only transform it from one form to another. After watching the video closely I grabbed a shot of his RF generator's meter. The scale goes to 1400 watts. So just for the fun of it lets assume the efficiency and say he is drawing 1.5kw to get a little orange flame. I think a light bulb would do much better and that's not a good example of efficiency. Paul |
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Dale Parfitt wrote:
Actually, it was art who wrote: I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage! Turns out they don't do very much filtering anymore, Art. It used to be called verification, and corroboration of sources. At one time the practice was even considered a journalistic prerequisite. But they have done away with that formality now for the most part. This provides us with immediate and unfettered access to mountainous heaps of garbage printed in newspapers and broadcast on the nightly news - and which is gleaned in no small part from that irreproachable font of knowledge and wisdom known as the internet. Firesign Theater once proclaimed 'Everything You Know is Wrong'. Thanks to the above it is now possible for that to be literally true; a fact which evidences itself with greater profusion each election day. ac6xg |
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"Dale Parfitt" wrote in message news:_wD7i.1509$WZ6.1337@trnddc03... I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage! It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not. Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure. Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule. Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success, where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed. For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the fight for life even in the light of a meagre education. If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him. Actually the news media should use that story for those people who are interested in what is good in life as well as those who only have derision for the efforts of others. Regards Art Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this date in my organizer. Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone. Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive. Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss crop circles. Dale W4OP just get him together with art. maybe if they put the 1400w into a gaussian antenna they can aim it and get the efficiency up over 100% and set the whole ocean on fire! |
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On 31 May, 15:16, "Dave" wrote:
"Dale Parfitt" wrote in message news:_wD7i.1509$WZ6.1337@trnddc03... I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage! It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not. Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure. Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule. Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success, where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed. For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the fight for life even in the light of a meagre education. If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him. Actually the news media should use that story for those people who are interested in what is good in life as well as those who only have derision for the efforts of others. Regards Art Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this date in my organizer. Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone. Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive. Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss crop circles. Dale W4OP just get him together with art. maybe if they put the 1400w into a gaussian antenna they can aim it and get the efficiency up over 100% and set the whole ocean on fire!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I fail to see what the fuss is about. So a guy is trying to invent something, is this a threat to anybody? We had a guy locally who was running his car on oil from McDonalds but it didn't worry people that maybe they would put french fries in the tank. You see something or read something in the media and it is then up to you to determine if you wish secrete the information in your mind or not. But if your common sense cannot corroborate the veracity of the statement then you move on as the world will never do what you feel it should do. On the other hand ,is this a story that allows a sorry state of illiteracy to take comfort that he has found something he is safe in ridiculling and to take center stage and sound off? Since the internet has come along it has allowed arrogance to grow where formally to be heard you had to face the person directly and be ready if a bunch of fives comes towards your face. Now all can use their free speech in any way they want and in complete safety. But to have free speech or the opportunity to succeed one must accept the downsides and if you don't like it make a fuss and organise to get it stopped and don't worry that the person voted to enforce the rules turnes out to be a Hitler. Is this inventor guy really a threat to our Country? Is it possible that the populace will be duped into the idea of putting sea water in the gas tank to get a taste of the good life? Let it go and get a life. Become open minded so that the little brain you have will fall out and take your worries away with it .I assure you very few will notice the difference. Art |
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Jim Kelley wrote:
... Turns out they don't do very much filtering anymore, Art. It used to be called verification, ... Funny, I lived through those times. Even Walter Cronkite speculated on such things as a conspiracy in Kennedys' death, etc. He sat there and calmly gave you the good, the bad and the ugly. Nightly we got body counts of the war and seen graphic picture of such things as mutilated bodies and buddhist monks pouring gas on themselves and burning to death in the streets of vietnam. It is much different now. We all know it is strange on how a congressman can go into office whose worth can be counted in thousands and come out a multimillionaire, especially when his yearly salary is about 100,000 or so. Reporters are so controlled they fear to say chit if they have a mouthful! But, back then men were more honest. Now we have family dynasty's (bush sr., bush jr.--bill, hilary) and it is difficult to draw a line between BIG MONEY (oil, drug companies, military contractors, etc.) and gov't. It is good to keep in mind a saying that is as old as the hills, "Truth is stranger than fiction." And, I have found it is hardly ever the perpetrator who ends up in the slammer--he has had a good bit of time to plan his crime and has a suitable and believable fall guy(s) set up way ahead of time. And, before anyone accuses me of being a conspiracy nut, my whole life has been a conspiracy. A conspiracy to take someone elses' money and put it in my pocket (legally--or at least without breaking the law!) A conspiracy to be an "insider" and "fortune teller" and walk away with the money others have lost in "the game." A conspiracy to place myself, my wife, my family, my community, my county, my state and my country ahead of all others. It really all depends on how you look at things, doesn't it? No, if some nut is claiming something, I wanna know about it. While I am still sucking air and not dirt, I will attempt to captain my ship. If some of the crew are screaming insane things, I wanna know about that too ... if it damages others psyches, so be it. If I am fooled, I'll be that much smarter next time ... JS |
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art wrote:
Look at Edisons' invention, the light bulb. It makes a much better heater than a light source (only a few percent of the energy consumed is given off as usable light!) Besides, perhaps next they will find out that the rf power can be reduced a hundrend-fold if the proper catalyst is used. Perhaps attacking the hydrogen/oxygen bond on multi-levels will finally be found to be feasible ... I have never seen in any book ANY speculation that rf could break hydrogen/oxygen bonds--only that microwaves could boil water! That in itself seems a major break through that the brain dead have glossed over in their claim of "it won't work!" Besides all that, it appears to me that the bond is being broken well below the boiling point of the salt water--seems like sodium chloride is already working as some sort of catalyst--let's all hope a magnitudes better catalyst is found! JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
In the above: .... and it is difficult to draw a line between BIG MONEY (oil, drug companies, military contractors, etc.) and gov't. Should have been: .... and it is difficult to draw a line between BIG MONEY (oil, drug companies, military contractors, etc.), gov't AND THE NEWS. JS |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... art wrote: Look at Edisons' invention, the light bulb. It makes a much better heater than a light source (only a few percent of the energy consumed is given off as usable light!) Besides, perhaps next they will find out that the rf power can be reduced a hundrend-fold if the proper catalyst is used. Perhaps attacking the hydrogen/oxygen bond on multi-levels will finally be found to be feasible ... I have never seen in any book ANY speculation that rf could break hydrogen/oxygen bonds--only that microwaves could boil water! That in itself seems a major break through that the brain dead have glossed over in their claim of "it won't work!" Besides all that, it appears to me that the bond is being broken well below the boiling point of the salt water--seems like sodium chloride is already working as some sort of catalyst--let's all hope a magnitudes better catalyst is found! JS John Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of heating water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules. It seems obvious that if sufficiently focused, the microwave energy would cause spontaneous decomposition of the water molecules into their constituent oxygen and hydrogen molecules. The addition of sodium chloride, or any salt, to the water can act as a catalyst by causing energy to become more tightly focused or by 'tuning' the molecules to become more susceptable to the microwave frequency(ies) involved. Sugared drinks heat more quickly than plain water in a microwave oven. While this may reduce the energy input requirements, there is no possibility of recovering a greater amount of energy than was input to initiate the reaction. This sounds like another version of the cold fusion debate, albeit not so cold. There is no magic here. A kilowatt of energy focused into an area of less than a tenth of a cubic millimetre will instantaneously disassociate virtually any substance known to science. A commercial fusion reactor is currently being built in France. It will cost billions of dollars to complete, but when it becomes operational there will be a surplus of energy generated. That is our future and the future of energy production. A jar full of salty water will never power the average home or car unless it is surrounding several pounds of Plutonium. :-) Mike G0ULI |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
A jar full of salty water will never power the average home or car unless it is surrounding several pounds of Plutonium. :-) Can you prove that "never" assertion? :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of heating water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules. Hmmm. The first resonant peak of the water molecule is around 1THz, while at the microwave operating frequency of 2.45GHz there are no resonances of the water molecule. The 2.45GHz frequency has no particular connection to the resonant frequencies of candidate food molecules. Chuck ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
... It would be interesting to know what freq was being used in the video ... If it were microwave, I wouldn't think that guy would be keeping his vision too much longer. A KW (heck, even a hundred watts or less over time!) turned into the room would be working on his cataracts, BIG TIME! JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
Mike Kaliski wrote: ... It would be interesting to know what freq was being used in the video ... If it were microwave, I wouldn't think that guy would be keeping his vision too much longer. A KW (heck, even a hundred watts or less over time!) turned into the room would be working on his cataracts, BIG TIME! JS Amazing it takes so much to get me motivated ... I have a 2.5 KW lab microwave bought at auction in the garage. Just walked out, wiped an inch of dust off it, plugged it in and placed a cup of super saturated salt water in and turned it on. Boiled the water is under 15 seconds--NO RELEASE OF HYDROGEN! 1) It appears that phenomenon is freq dependent! 2) Or, is the whole video a sham? There is more to that video than I at first thought ... JS |
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"John Smith I" wrote in message ... John Smith I wrote: Mike Kaliski wrote: ... It would be interesting to know what freq was being used in the video ... If it were microwave, I wouldn't think that guy would be keeping his vision too much longer. A KW (heck, even a hundred watts or less over time!) turned into the room would be working on his cataracts, BIG TIME! JS Amazing it takes so much to get me motivated ... I have a 2.5 KW lab microwave bought at auction in the garage. Just walked out, wiped an inch of dust off it, plugged it in and placed a cup of super saturated salt water in and turned it on. Boiled the water is under 15 seconds--NO RELEASE OF HYDROGEN! 1) It appears that phenomenon is freq dependent! 2) Or, is the whole video a sham? There is more to that video than I at first thought ... JS He didnt say the flame was caused by hydrogen, ratheris was a chemist friend. How much BS have you heard start out as I dont know but I have this friend........ Jimmie |
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There's one thing we can count on, for sure, no question, no doubt:
Whatever magical catalyst is found, whatever wonderful principle is discovered, whatever bonds are broken. . . It will require more energy to turn the water into hydrogen and oxygen than you'll get back when the hydrogen and oxygen are recombined. By any method -- burning, in a fuel cell, whatever. You can take that to the bank. Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant, delusional, a charlatan, or some combination of those. Anyone believing it is sadly lacking in the most basic of science education. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Mike Kaliski wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... art wrote: Look at Edisons' invention, the light bulb. It makes a much better heater than a light source (only a few percent of the energy consumed is given off as usable light!) Besides, perhaps next they will find out that the rf power can be reduced a hundrend-fold if the proper catalyst is used. Perhaps attacking the hydrogen/oxygen bond on multi-levels will finally be found to be feasible ... I have never seen in any book ANY speculation that rf could break hydrogen/oxygen bonds--only that microwaves could boil water! That in itself seems a major break through that the brain dead have glossed over in their claim of "it won't work!" Besides all that, it appears to me that the bond is being broken well below the boiling point of the salt water--seems like sodium chloride is already working as some sort of catalyst--let's all hope a magnitudes better catalyst is found! JS John Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of heating water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules. It seems obvious that if sufficiently focused, the microwave energy would cause spontaneous decomposition of the water molecules into their constituent oxygen and hydrogen molecules. The addition of sodium chloride, or any salt, to the water can act as a catalyst by causing energy to become more tightly focused or by 'tuning' the molecules to become more susceptable to the microwave frequency(ies) involved. Sugared drinks heat more quickly than plain water in a microwave oven. While this may reduce the energy input requirements, there is no possibility of recovering a greater amount of energy than was input to initiate the reaction. This sounds like another version of the cold fusion debate, albeit not so cold. There is no magic here. A kilowatt of energy focused into an area of less than a tenth of a cubic millimetre will instantaneously disassociate virtually any substance known to science. A commercial fusion reactor is currently being built in France. It will cost billions of dollars to complete, but when it becomes operational there will be a surplus of energy generated. That is our future and the future of energy production. A jar full of salty water will never power the average home or car unless it is surrounding several pounds of Plutonium. :-) Mike G0ULI |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
... I'd say there were two possibilities the 1) It ain't happened yet--so it never will. 2) It ain't happened yet--because we don't yet know enough. Frankly, I think those coming up with new ideas will subscribe to the second ... I do know that manganese dioxide can act as a catalyst in different situations as to seem "magical." (i.e. over come bonds at lower energy levels.) Regards, JS |
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John Smith I wrote:
2) It ain't happened yet--because we don't yet know enough. Frankly, I think those coming up with new ideas will subscribe to the second ... We know that e = mc^2 All we need is a method for conversion of ordinary mass into energy. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
... We know that e = mc^2 All we need is a method for conversion of ordinary mass into energy. Cecil: Absolutely! However, I am much more interested in converting energy to matter. Be nice to have a little machine in the backyard converting sunlight into gold! NO, I am NOT talking about gardening marijuana. grin Regards, JS |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
There's one thing we can count on, for sure, no question, no doubt: Whatever magical catalyst is found, whatever wonderful principle is discovered, whatever bonds are broken. . . It will require more energy to turn the water into hydrogen and oxygen than you'll get back when the hydrogen and oxygen are recombined. By any method -- burning, in a fuel cell, whatever. You can take that to the bank. Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant, delusional, a charlatan, or some combination of those. Anyone believing it is sadly lacking in the most basic of science education. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Yep, but the ignorant will never realize or admit they are ignorant and the snake oil salesman always has a job. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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John Smith I wrote:
Be nice to have a little machine in the backyard converting sunlight into gold! m = e/c^2 That would take a heck of a lot of sunlight. -- 73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith I wrote: Be nice to have a little machine in the backyard converting sunlight into gold! m = e/c^2 That would take a heck of a lot of sunlight. Cecil: OK. I suspect you correct. I'll consider the marijuana. ;-) Regards, JS |
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On 1 Jun, 11:51, John Smith I wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: ... We know that e = mc^2 All we need is a method for conversion of ordinary mass into energy. Cecil: Absolutely! However, I am much more interested in converting energy to matter. Be nice to have a little machine in the backyard converting sunlight into gold! NO, I am NOT talking about gardening marijuana. grin Regards, JS John DO do you think that Americans are not interested in experimenting any more because if anything new comes about that is usefull we can hire the engineers from India who have already done the research? Actually it seems that it has gone beyond that when you see the outcry against the Gaussian antenna or even boiling water. Do Americans really believe really believe that all is known and it is a waste of time to experiment? That if you are educated under the American system you have the ability to determine before hand what will work and what will not work? As an immigrant I was asked by the media the other day do I believe that immigrants that do the work that Americans wont do have a different aproach to life? I pointed him to read this newsgroup and make up his own mind , but I also did tell him to look up history to see how past Empires were lost, but I am not sure that he got my point Art |
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"Chuck" wrote in message ... Mike Kaliski wrote: Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of heating water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules. Hmmm. The first resonant peak of the water molecule is around 1THz, while at the microwave operating frequency of 2.45GHz there are no resonances of the water molecule. The 2.45GHz frequency has no particular connection to the resonant frequencies of candidate food molecules. Chuck ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Chuck That would be why returns on 3 Cm marine radar are wiped out in heavy rain then. I can vouch for the fact that heavy rain and spray can result in 100% obscuration of ship radar targets. Aircraft also use radar to detect storms. The severity of the weather ahead is determined by analysis of the probable size of the water droplets in the cloud, which affects the level of the radar return. While water molecules may have an inherent resonance at 1 THz, it is generally accepted by the scientific community that microwave ovens work by exciting water molecules, amongst others, in food. I can't recall ever cooking anything in a microwave that wasn't wet or at least damp. Well I have tested some bits of plastic for suitability for use at RF, but that wasn't for eating - and the wife was out!!! I am happy to accept that there is no direct correlation between the resonant frequency of a water molecule at 1 THz and a microwave oven magnetron operating in the Ghz range. However, microwave ovens will heat even distilled water quite effectively and heating is defined as an increase in vibrational energy of molecules. So however the process actually works, some principle of resonance must exist to allow the excitation of the water molecules to occur. Either that, or microwave ovens actually work by heating the food with infra red radiation derived using waste heat from the magnetron and we have all been fooled. :-) Mike G0ULI |
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art wrote:
... Art: Well, your point is well taken here. Correct. They want the news media to filter all for them, thus relieving them of exercising mental muscle for themselves. They rely on denying anything new is coming along until it already is developed and accepted; then they claim they knew it all along. You'd think them embarrassed over the above; but then, you'd be mistaken. However, the gaussian antenna escapes me ... at least for the present time. But, I don't want the news to filter you! GRIN Regards, JS |
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Mike Kaliski wrote:
That would be why returns on 3 Cm marine radar are wiped out in heavy rain then. I can vouch for the fact that heavy rain and spray can result in 100% obscuration of ship radar targets. Aircraft also use radar to detect storms. The severity of the weather ahead is determined by analysis of the probable size of the water droplets in the cloud, which affects the level of the radar return. While water molecules may have an inherent resonance at 1 THz, it is generally accepted by the scientific community that microwave ovens work by exciting water molecules, amongst others, in food. I can't recall ever cooking anything in a microwave that wasn't wet or at least damp. Well I have tested some bits of plastic for suitability for use at RF, but that wasn't for eating - and the wife was out!!! I am happy to accept that there is no direct correlation between the resonant frequency of a water molecule at 1 THz and a microwave oven magnetron operating in the Ghz range. However, microwave ovens will heat even distilled water quite effectively and heating is defined as an increase in vibrational energy of molecules. So however the process actually works, some principle of resonance must exist to allow the excitation of the water molecules to occur. Either that, or microwave ovens actually work by heating the food with infra red radiation derived using waste heat from the magnetron and we have all been fooled. :-) Increased molecular motion certainly accompanies increased temperature, but depending on the water's salt content, the skin depth of water at microwave oven frequencies is 0.5cm to 4.7cm. So I guess it is an absorption phenomenon, rather than resonance. Or, infrared radiation from the maagnetron! ;-) This information, BTW, comes from Ron Schmitt's "Electromagnetics Explained". Chuck ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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